Villain plays 85/30/12(3bet) over 900 hands, 90/39 OTB. Fold to 3bet 11%. Got some notes on him but nothing that could be useful here, mainly stuff about how he likes and looks to outplay opponents.

How do we continue on the flop? Basically every hand hit in one way or another so I expect him to continue a ton here. We currently have 0 showdown value, but we do have a double gutter and 2 BDFD, which feels huge in a 3bet pot. Do you wanna bet/call or check and fold if he bets big? Any other ideas that I'm not thinking of right now? Anyone dislike the 3bet?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $2(BB) Replayer
Hero ($200)
BB ($200)
UTG ($237)
UTG+1 ($214)
CO ($246)
BTN ($277)

Dealt to Hero 5 8 J Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $7, Hero raises to $23, fold, BTN calls $16

FLOP ($48) 6 9 K

Hero?

his button range so wide that we can b/c at 100bb since it's too difficult to realize equity if we check. 200bb would be b/f i think

tougher decision at 150bb

Always find these spots tough but i have to agree b/c is the best option here (maybe c/r vs some villains?)

I Like the 3-bet fwiw

Interesting spot

fold is $177 or 0
he folds is $225 or +48
We have around 33% EV when he wants to get it in = $132 or -45
45/93=0,48
Breakeven if he folds 48%.

Hmm, have I made some error? Looks like betting is much worse than I thought, I dont think he folds that often. Well yeaah maybe he does with such a weak PF range.

yea 3betting this hand is going to make BTN make more mistakes postflop. the opposite if we just flat imo

I'd probably fold preflop myself, but I'm admittedly a bit tighter. Our hand is pretty gappy and we'll be in a spot like this more often than not. Because we have such a good seat at this table, I'm a bit more inclined to exercise some patience and wait until we have position on him. That opportunity should come up real soon since he's playing nearly 90% of hands.

I don't like the 3b given only 100bb stacks and the read that he doesn't like folding much

As played i kinda like a small b/f like 1/2 pot or so, then if he calls shove good turns

b/c is disgusting because we only have 35% most of the time

idk, b/f two streets and c/f river probably but is that a weak line?

What about c/r flop or c/r turn if flop goes ch/ch?

After the month I've had I absolutely hate the 3-bet pre. My opinion now is that you're basically giving a bad player a chance to probably flip against you, or at worst crush you for 100bb. Is like burning money.

If you'd asked me a month ago though, I'd have liked it.

As played on the flop - bet $26 and fold if he shoves.

double gutter and backdoors i'd prolly wanna check to him or lead small, anything we do is kinda exploitable and his range is wide as fook and he liekly bets if we check so prolly just lead like maff said

I like a check/raise here, because we probably have better FE than by leading, we're folding out the middle part of his range that has great equity against our hand and if we get it in versus his strong hands, we have a good amount of fall back equity.

If he checks back, what's the harm in that? We have a lot of turns we can play profitably and we can delay c-bet if he checks back if the turn is a complete brick. No big deal.

feels like we are going to get owned if we lead here, i prefer cr against this opponent, as we really need to maximize our f/e.

i don't care much for pre flop. We have direct pos on him and can abuse him for 5/6 hands per orbit, so i'm not going to thrown him a bone by overplaying marginal hands on the 1 hand we are OOP.

pre seems fine if youre ready for variance and trying to isolate

If villain is who I think he is I wont always rr this hand - that would depend on the BB. If BB is bad I flat, I BB is a nit I flat. If BB is good I rr, but I dont repot it


As played flop is def a bet/call vs this dude. Again that is assuming it is who I think it is. I respect the people who say c/r and I completely agree vs other villains, but its not good against that particular dude as he quite simply doesnt b/f enough. HE DOESNT LIKE TO FOLD!!

We have so much backdoor equity, that I really dont think theres anything wrong with c/c which no one's quite discussed yet. Is it that bad :S

well this is something I do more than any 200max plo reg but at shallow tables. this deep, I like betting 30-35$ because his range is sooo wide that he just folds alot of the time. if flatted and turn brings flushdraw or pairs board,I pot again and see what happens
I probably fold if I get C/R on flop. it would be pretty close.
intresting hand btw, would love results.

I think so. we are out of position and we get no info by C/C .always better to be the aggressor imo.

^^ That should therefore eliminate everything except c/r. Said villain is expected to peel light and we really havent got much of a hand to do anything except c/r to max FE

potpot or c/r, I dont think either is really bad. I think I prefer pot/pot

hmm intresting. not sure if I have balls to C/R although a C/R looks superstrong, pretty intresting hand I guess, although I probably bet fold both streets.
results please

you are my clone

if we lead small say 17$ we will be profiting as long as he calls, he seems the type to flat most his range unless he has top two or set or something. He would be worried about us jamming,

if we check it allows him to bet bigger than the lead, he EASILY b/cs alot of hands as he maybe puts us on aces and b/c us with k*** and he will likely have draw also, and he even folds his weaker preflop range to an inticing cbet size

If he bets say 26$ then I think c/r is more viable but his betsize is important and without meta reads on such other than like my assumption from OP then just lead/fold... Its good to know the turn card here

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 69k

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
QcJh8h5c	35.07%	206,484	7,853
k***	64.93%	385,663	7,853

is he b/f k***?

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 69k

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
QcJh8h5c	42.18%	244,839	16,524
50%	57.82%	338,637	16,524

does he fold preflop to your 3bet at all? can't tell how wide his range is, I hate c/r the board is too wet and we have usually like 30% against the range that calls or raises a lead and the rest folds or we do good against, but i am very interested to know if im wrong on this one.

check call would be max horrible...

comparing reasoning here. im thinking its more bad because our bd equity here functions more like ROI v this type of player since if he bets well have near 0 FE (going for x/r i assume?) so were putting in slightly bad money in after really bad?