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01-29-2015 , 07:28 AM
BU 32 18 with 10 3bet (20 otb) though only 200 hand sample
SB huge fish...4bets most AA, KK and some AKx and coldcalls a lot in this spot

against 10-12% 3bet and 3%-30% coldcalling range i have 37% equity preflop.
Are you guys trying to push this small-medium preflop edge or prefere to see a flop closing the action and having the fish between you and the preflop 3bettor? thx
What about A K 7 K or T K 7 K ?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($170)
BB ($153)
UTG ($295)
Hero ($185)
BTN ($190)

Dealt to Hero T K 7 K

fold, Hero raises to $6, BTN raises to $21, SB calls $20, fold, Hero raises to $86
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01-29-2015 , 09:26 AM
looks fine. I ship with AKK too but might just flat with KKT7ds since it has the most playability. Can flop lots of OP + 2nd nut FD.
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01-29-2015 , 03:55 PM
I would 4bet both cases. We are ahead of the buttons range and we dont want to play postflop 3way with only kings; if we dont hit it big, we are in trouble.
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01-29-2015 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
looks fine. I ship with AKK too but might just flat with KKT7ds since it has the most playability. Can flop lots of OP + 2nd nut FD.
You wanna 3bet KKT7ss but flat KKT7ds? That makes no sense.

Against a guy who's 3betting 20% OTB I'm shipping all 3.
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01-29-2015 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CZI
You wanna 3bet KKT7ss but flat KKT7ds? That makes no sense.

Against a guy who's 3betting 20% OTB I'm shipping all 3.
We're not 3-betting, we're 4-bet committing because we think we have enough equity 2 or 3 way.... There's nothing wrong with 4-bet all 3. But KKT7ds will play better post-flop so of course it's going to be the best hand to flat.
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01-29-2015 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
We're not 3-betting, we're 4-bet committing because we think we have enough equity 2 or 3 way.... There's nothing wrong with 4-bet all 3. But KKT7ds will play better post-flop so of course it's going to be the best hand to flat.
yeah, but you´re giving up a quantifyable fact for a mostly intuitive opinion. we know KKT7ds is stronger than KKT7ss, we know any of these mentioned hands is a +EV 4bet vs a true 20% 3betting range (which is still doubtful, but not part of this discussion imo), it´s more profitable to 4bet the stronger hand with more equity, so we should include it in our 4betting range rather than leaving it out of it cause of preference
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01-29-2015 , 09:03 PM
Definitely 4betting.
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01-29-2015 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
yeah, but you´re giving up a quantifyable fact for a mostly intuitive opinion. we know KKT7ds is stronger than KKT7ss, we know any of these mentioned hands is a +EV 4bet vs a true 20% 3betting range (which is still doubtful, but not part of this discussion imo), it´s more profitable to 4bet the stronger hand with more equity, so we should include it in our 4betting range rather than leaving it out of it cause of preference
Lots of poker is based on intuitive opinion - we shouldn't ignore it just because it's quite hard to prove the Maths behind the decision.

Also in my original post I said "might flat"

I just looked at PPT and KKT7ds has almost a 3.5% better equity than the single suited at 40.39% vs the range of 12% and 3%-30%... that does make me more inclined to just go ahead and 4bet it.

However, whilst it might be more profitable to 4-bet the stronger hand it's also more profitable to flat with the stronger hand. KKT7ds is going to do better for you post-flop than KKT7ss. So if we know KKT7ss is going to be a profitable 4bet and we might not realise our equity (or make mistakes) when we flat, then 4-betting makes way more sense than flatting.
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01-30-2015 , 07:37 AM
Bob Marley likes jammin' all three
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01-31-2015 , 11:52 AM
Looks fine
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