Turn: ($10.50) K (3 players)
MP bets $10.50, Hero raises to $13.68 and is all-in, BTN folds, MP calls $3.18
River: ($37.86) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
I understand that shoving is just stupid. I should fold or just call, because it dont get no value from shoving, if i dont hit the river I can save some money. So should i call the turn? I have played with the villain only 65 hands and 63/28.
BTW PLO make me wanna puke so bad... in the last 1600 hands im losing over 6,5 BI :S and last 300 hands im losing 4.5 bi..
Last edited by JumalSander; 07-12-2012 at 09:36 AM.
You should fold here. He has a set here probably 90% of the time (looks a lot like it could be kings) in which case the only cards that will win you the hand are spades and a queen (which may just be a chop). Your only going to win ~25% of the time and your getting 2-1 pot odds, obviously not enough to profitably call.
I would advocate raising on the flop rather than flat calling as this is a relatively dry flop. Given that you have both the A and K of spades, weaker flush draws are almost never calling a raise and hands with straight draws like 4567 are going to be hesitant to call as well given the two spades. Only hands like T6xx or T3xx (which your opponents rarely have given the action before the flop) or 3456 and sets are going to call a raise usually, giving you a lot more information on the flop and winning you the pot right then and there quite often.
yeah.. but I thought when he had flopped a set, he would bet more. And i agree that kings are his most likely hand, but i have a K blocker in my hand and i thought that he would bet less with a set and that he maybe saw my flop call as a weakness.
Last edited by JumalSander; 07-12-2012 at 10:17 AM.
Honestly I'd just play. I have no idea what to make of his flop bet but it might as well be a weird blocker check. OTT he could be shoving with any pair+flush draw, set, or junky 2pair. As you said you have the King blocker so its more likely he has some other hand types.
Your FD and gutshot are clean enough outs, and kings and aces are possible outs. You could fold here only against an ultra passive player, but I probably wouldn't.
I'm saying raise flop but sometimes these tiny bets paralyze me too, I'm just like "wtf" but mostly at these stakes I find that sizing=hand strength so I'd raise without fear expecting lots of folds. If he doesn't fold we still have nice eq & flippings fun! Plus we'll get a nice note.
Vs a range of death we're nearly getting the right price!
I agree that you can just call turn, but we're so priced in to call the additional $3.00 or so on a river bet that I guess it doesn't make that much difference unless you have some kind of read that guarantees you are folding rivers unimproved or that give us two pair hands.
Do like treating the donk bet as a check and just bet the flop.
Raise flop - I find these small little donk bets are often weak made hands/weak draws. I find I get a lot of folds if I raise them, or they just call terrible odds with crappy draws. (although sometimes I spazz out too much against them)
as played shipping turn is fine with TP, gutshot and NFD and you have so little behind
Oh, and make sure to always refill to 100bb! (unless you play shortstacked)
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