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Old 07-02-2012, 03:52 PM   #1
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PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

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    MP: $20 (100 bb)
    CO: $19.40 (97 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $22.40 (112 bb)
    SB: $25.56 (127.8 bb)
    BB: $49.32 (246.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 6 J 8
    MP posts BB OOP, MP checks, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, 2 folds

    Flop: ($2.50) A 9 Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.70, SB calls $1.70

    Turn: ($5.90) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

    River: ($13.90) 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $8.40, SB calls $8.40

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    I didnt have any reads, i thought he has most likely a flushdraw or a bad ace and that he has to fold.
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    Old 07-02-2012, 04:43 PM   #2
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    Itīs hard to put him on a range without reads but after he callīs the flop Iīll put him on a range of Axxx, A9, Q9, A9, a flushdraw, pair+flushdraw, wrap sometimes with a pair, OESD if heīs a bad player and when he callīs the turn I donīt think he has a bare Axxx.

    Against a bad player that would call the turn with all the draws I think a small river barrel is fine something like 40%, a bluff that donīt needs to work that often. But I think a REG will have a boat here too often. Readless on this stake I think I would barrel small because heīs probably a bad player and a bet is your only chance to win the pot.
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    Old 07-02-2012, 05:33 PM   #3
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    You were right in that he had a bad ace.

    You were wrong as he turned out to be a call station fish idiot, grrrrrrrr.

    Live and learn. Worth the $8.40 as you know to value town the **** out of him in future.
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    Old 07-02-2012, 07:04 PM   #4
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    When going for a bluff, you have to ask yourself; Is the player capable of folding? is he likely to believe your story. thats over half the battle right there
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    Old 07-02-2012, 07:13 PM   #5
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    Yeah, the thing is i cant be weak, im repping a set or minumum 2 pair. I had with villain no history so my question is, was my river bluffbet good in a vacuum
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    Old 07-02-2012, 07:34 PM   #6
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

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    Yeah, the thing is i cant be weak, im repping a set or minumum 2 pair. I had with villain no history so my question is, was my river bluffbet good in a vacuum
    I think readless this is fine to two barrel. Your range looks pretty strong and the river should help you. Villain decided to take a NLHE line with like weak Ax.

    You should be able to exploit this in the future. But, imo, it's fine as river bet is large enough that most thinking players with Ax would have a hard time calling.
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    Old 07-02-2012, 10:00 PM   #7
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    i dont mean dis-repect but

    he call'd your raise op
    c/c flop
    c/c turn

    you have the worst hand and most likely worst hand bets on river/or nuts too, but worst hand for this instance

    I know id be scared. he has show down value imo and check and only boats/bluffs will be betting

    i just feel with no HH when he calls your turn bet, its shutdown time unless you hit a str8

    all signs poitn to him calling, and i was surprised what he had, i thought he had A's and 9's w/ a K kicker
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    Old 07-03-2012, 06:30 AM   #8
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    I think barreling the river's fine after you bet the turn, as long as you balance it. Thing is, his call is good - you can also be repping a strong draw, all the draws missed and a bunch of 2pairs got counterfeited, so calling with AK/AJ maybe even AT is fairly standard. I think the only mistake in this hh is calling the guy a fish for snapping you off. I think you're likely to lose money if you consistently underestimate your opponents & don't try to understand their plays.

    As a side note, I'm not really convinced that 2 barreling a bare straight draw on a flushing board is a great idea. I'd probably take the free card on the turn.
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    Old 07-03-2012, 06:41 AM   #9
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

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    I think the only mistake in this hh is calling the guy a fish for snapping you off.
    Imo, i'd call this guy a fish just by seeing the hand he defended the sb with. The snapping off is kinda meh, but i think he is more leaned towards being a fish than a thinking reg, tbh.


    If i were to bluff here (repping top set) i'd pot turn and pot river also. People at these stakes seem to be more afraid of pot bets thand 3/4 ones. Of course, i'm not balancing this since i do bet 3/4 pot when i have top set, but i don't think too many people can take knowledge of this at these limits.
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    Old 07-03-2012, 12:49 PM   #10
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    definitely do barrel river, wp. u have j-high, all his missed draws that got this far are gonna beat you in showdown. too bad he had the ace and called. readless u can hope he's folding an ace sometimes.

    unlike some posters suggested, his river call isn't bad. also him defending his sb is standard. as woud be him 3-betting pf.
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    Old 07-03-2012, 03:10 PM   #11
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    You played the hand the way a set would have prob played it, betting strong every street to push off the draws. When the board pairs on the river and he checks, I would feel obligated to continue telling my set story and barrel again. Most players, even a lot of stations, would have a tough time with weak top pair there. Your river bet represents a polarized range, though. Either you boated or you missed your draw, while tptk and other two pair hands would check back the river. So he might have figured his weak TP catches quite a few bluffs in that spot, especially on such a big-draw friendly board that missed, and decided to gamble that this was the case and called. So don't be too quick in tagging him as a fish. It's just one hand. It takes a lot of hands to really peg a villain for a live one or a shark.

    The good thing is that now he's likely to be on calling mode against you; exploit that. Next time a similar situation comes up but you actually have a set, keep the sizing the same. He might even check raise you oot with two pair or a draw of his own when a blank hits. Also, next time you have a marginal draw, like a str8 on a flushing board, you can bet the flop and check back the turn to see a cheap river. If you get there on the river, he might snap you off again, which would be mazel tovian.
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    Old 07-03-2012, 10:21 PM   #12
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    Re: PLO20. Should i barrel the river as a bluff?

    If u were contemplating a 3 barrel here if the board ran good, why not bet larger on each street to set up a PS shove OTR? As played your bets are too small to put villain toa super hard decision iyam. Yes he should probably still fold A to even a small 3 barrel, but I think youll have more success putting imore pressure on.
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