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Old 05-15-2017, 10:50 PM   #1
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plo20 did I misplay this

This guy is loose and fishy. But did I play this correctly? Not sure if I should be stacking off? Would you play it any differently?

Microgaming - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 23.18 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 126.88 BB (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
MP: 114.28 BB (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 2.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: 226.28 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 36.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K Q 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, BTN calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (22.5 BB, 2 players) J T 3
Hero bets 13.5 BB, BTN calls 13.5 BB

Turn: (49.5 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 37 BB, BTN raises to 160.5 BB, Hero calls 38.5 BB and is all-in

River: (200.5 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows K K Q 8 (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 56%, Flop 71%, Turn 38%)
BTN shows A J 5 4 (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 44%, Flop 29%, Turn 63%)
BTN wins 197.5 BB
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Old 05-16-2017, 04:43 AM   #2
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

I wouldn't 3bet this pre. as played I think it's ok.
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:37 AM   #3
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

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I wouldn't 3bet this pre. as played I think it's ok.
I'm new to PLO, can you let me know where my logic is wrong here because I'm having a hard time playing hands like these profitably.
If we flat pre we still lose but lose a lot less.
If we 3-bet pre we are announcing our hand but given the flop and v's holdings, wouldn't most people just go away with our c-bet?

As played, I probably shut down after the flop call and without getting some kind of draw on the turn I'd check fold to a pot sized bet but probably station away a reasonable bet on the turn hoping to counterfeit J10 on the river.
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:07 AM   #4
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

if 8d was say Td or Jd, 3bet would be fine. still op's hand is stronger pre against btn player but I personally wouldn't 3bet. if villain had JT, he would probably raise flop. when he just calls he reps Jx, Q9, 89, KQ is kinda blocked. basically one pair with maybe a gutshot or non-nut oesd. if you check turn you create a lot of problems and as you can see op had 38% on the turn even against 2 pair, it's not like he's dead. so basically betting turn because of fold equity, sometimes you even have an equity advantage and sometimes just get a fold which is also not bad.
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:20 AM   #5
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

Makes sense. Just with his flat I'd be putting him on at worse a sd that can easily turn into 2 pair
I guess with that range the turn seems to be a pretty safe card and continued pressure is the best route.
Just seems like a single pair on the river in Omaha is rarely good.

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Old 05-16-2017, 08:16 AM   #6
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

1 pair is often good but usually you are not playing big pots. This player was so loose though, and like you said that turn card looked like a brick, I thought he'd either fold which they will do a lot or continue with worse which they also do a lot. In this case he hit but like MD said I still had ~40%.

I 3-bet him for pure value. His range is stupid weak. Flatting might be better though, because I'm still OOP and I don't need to bloat the pot unnecessary.
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Old 05-16-2017, 08:35 AM   #7
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

Like I said, I'm just starting to mess around with PLO as my live game has put it in the mix and I vary between flatting and 3bet AAxx/KKxx hands (I know you were single suit).
After talking and thinking it out I like your line the best, gave you the best chance to win.
I've burned up plenty or buy ins with the AA/KK hands when I 1st started so being a little more cautious now but don't want to turn into a scared nit!
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Old 05-16-2017, 11:08 AM   #8
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

Hand is fine.
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Old 05-16-2017, 04:19 PM   #9
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

Against a loose player I definitely 3bet this hand for 100bb.
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Old 05-17-2017, 12:58 AM   #10
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

This is an almost premium hand against just a button raise. I think the occasional flat is fine, but I prefer a 3bet vs any non-nit.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:07 AM   #11
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

Postflop hand is an easy bet/GII given SPR
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Old 05-21-2017, 09:38 AM   #12
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Re: plo20 did I misplay this

I might size a little bigger on the flop oop but the line is fine
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