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[PLO2] How do you handle relentless aggression (maniac style) [PLO2] How do you handle relentless aggression (maniac style)

05-26-2017 , 12:46 AM
Situation:
This villain has played every hand since sitting down at the table (around 30 hands). Every single one of them he either opened for a potsized raise or reraised for a potsized 3bet. His postflop play is always the same, regardless of the board. He will pot the flop, pot the turn and pot he river, if he isn't all-in on the turn. He got stacked two times, once his opponent made the nutflush and the second time, he called a 4bet-all in with AK78 rainbow against aces. Every other pot he has won with or without showdown.

This situation does actually come up quite frequently in PLO 2 and my general feeling is, this should be a very profitable situation for me, especially if I can catch a seat behind this guy. However, I also feel, I shouldn't need aces to make money off this guy and actually be able to make a stand in general against hyperaggressive players. In reality, I find myself check/folding a lot of pots against very aggressive players and feeling very bad while doing so.

In the small blind I pick off T J Q Q and decide this hand has to be good enough to make a stand while mentally preparing myself to go all the way.

    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37738730

    BTN: $7.17 (358.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): $3.29 (164.5 bb)
    BB: $3.24 (162 bb)
    MP: $3.71 (185.5 bb)
    CO: $2 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T J Q Q
    MP raises to $0.07, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

    Flop: ($0.21) 5 J 3 (3 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, BB folds

    Turn: ($0.61) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $0.59, Hero calls $0.59

    River: ($1.79) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $1.73, Hero raises to $2.43 and is all-in, MP calls $0.70

    Spoiler:
    Results: $6.65 pot ($0.22 rake)
    Final Board: 5 J 3 A K
    Hero showed T J Q Q and won $6.43 ($3.14 net)
    MP showed 4 A J 9 and lost (-$3.29 net)



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    After the hand, I am left with the feeling that I made really bad calls and just got lucky in the end. How do you handle this? Do you always call the flop? For all I know he could be doing this with King-high. On which turns do you continue/shove, which turns do you fold? What do you do, if the river is a brick? Can I find a call here with a lonely pair of Queens?

    As far as preflop play goes, I usually try to get position on these players, as soon as the opportunity araises. Until then, I tend to fold the bottom of my normal opening range, I limp my stronger hands in an attempt to keep the pot small and raise the hands, I will 4bet shove with. Is this a good strategy? Are there better ways to adjust?

    Last edited by Caterina; 05-26-2017 at 12:59 AM.
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    05-26-2017 , 02:20 AM
    If you're not folding on that turn card there isn't a turn card in the entire deck you're folding, is there?

    and yeah 3bet pre (assuming he has maniac preflop stats)
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    05-26-2017 , 05:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Loctus
    If you're not folding on that turn card there isn't a turn card in the entire deck you're folding, is there?

    and yeah 3bet pre (assuming he has maniac preflop stats)
    As I said, I was planning on calling him down, no matter what. In which case 3bet pre and a call all-in would probably be the better play.
    Are you suggesting this, when you are talking about 3betting? Because, when we 3bet, he will definately shove.

    I don't think, I played this hand well. I just want to know what people suggest in this situations in general.
    I wasn't even sure, if I should call the flop, knowing that I would normally fold on any non heart turn that is not a Queen, Jack or Ten?
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    05-26-2017 , 05:21 AM
    You were losing that hand no matter what. He's going to call a 3 bet pre and he's calling on the flop.
    Try to pay in position as much as possible to not give him a chance to check behind once he realizes you're going to be calling him down light.

    Mark him on hem or whatever and play at his table whenever possible.
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    05-26-2017 , 05:47 AM
    If someone will pot every flop you should think about leading yourself to see how they react
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    05-26-2017 , 07:43 AM
    Seems typical fair. Calling in the turn tells me you didn't give him credit for having an Ace and you were open-ended in case he does have one.

    A lot of times PLO is played on the turn.
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    05-26-2017 , 02:51 PM
    Thx for the feedback:
    a) Giving him credit for the Ace. I don't think, I can give him credit for having an Ace, because his range in this spot is pretty much *A random hand*. And I have ~40% Equity against a random hand.
    b) I will definately try leading on some flops. I think, he's going to respond with a potsized reraise, but it's worth a try for sure.
    c) After a while I decided to do the following approach. I will start 3betting him with good big pairs and broadway rundowns. If he shoves, so be it, let's embrace the variance. With my other hands, I'll decide to fold or continue solely on the fact, if I caught a favorable flop or not. A minimum hand for me to call his riverbets should be Top and bottom pair, slightly adjusted to the board over all. I will probably lose a bunch of pots against whatever monster he has flopped and look like an idiot in the process, but I still think, in the long run this should show profit. Also I have great implied odds to draw with weak draws, because (as seen in the example hand) he is always going to pay me off.
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    05-26-2017 , 05:25 PM
    This is the great game of pot limit Omaha love me some player like this . I miss sports betting player like this .
    What site was it
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    05-27-2017 , 12:20 AM
    If you were playing $0.01/$0.02/$0.07 PLO with a 50bb stack (ignore that those blinds are weird) would you just 'limp' (call $0.07) with this hand or raise pre. That's basically the situation you are in when someone is opening A4C, or a really high frequency, with regular blinds. Your 3b range should be closer to that hypothetical opening range (not quite as wide, I think) than to a normal 3b range.
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    05-27-2017 , 01:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CJ72
    A lot of times PLO is played on the turn.
    A lot of times PLO is played preflop, on the flop, turn and the river.
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    05-27-2017 , 01:27 AM
    lol, that's what I was thinking
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    05-27-2017 , 03:22 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
    If you were playing $0.01/$0.02/$0.07 PLO with a 50bb stack (ignore that those blinds are weird) would you just 'limp' (call $0.07) with this hand or raise pre. That's basically the situation you are in when someone is opening A4C, or a really high frequency, with regular blinds. Your 3b range should be closer to that hypothetical opening range (not quite as wide, I think) than to a normal 3b range.
    thanks, that's a really good way to look at the situation. I also realized it's the reason, I felt so uncomfortable 3betting (or even raising, when he is behind me), since I feel very uncomfortable playing shortstacked (50bb is short imo).

    I'll force myself to do the math on this scenario and come back with an answer after that. Should be an rather easy calculation since his actions are completly predictable and seems a good way to practise doing the math.
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    05-27-2017 , 08:28 AM
    Snapfold turn
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    05-28-2017 , 11:35 AM
    3bet pre to get in a headsup pot. If u decide to flat pre you should check shove this flop.
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