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02-12-2014 , 10:34 AM
naggeri. you do realise it was us that c-bet and BB only flat our c-bet when CO decides to shove? There's no way we can fold against CO's shove alone with the hand we have. And BB most likely raises hands OTF that he wants to play for stacks for (unless he knows CO is likely to shove wide if he just flats)

I think best play by far is to flat and hope to keep in some of BB's dominated flush draws.
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02-12-2014 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Seven0fHeart
In game, I tanked and re raise, BB tank folded and I took down the pot against shortstacker's dominated flush draw. I really would have hate my life if BB were to come over the top, I'm always never going to be a fav considering that he's one of the more solid reg and definitely wont be getting in light.
Naaaiis. Bet his tank felt like forever. I think best option is jam or flat but flat can leave you vulnerable with a face up hand so still not sure which :/
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02-12-2014 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
naggeri. yAnd BB most likely raises hands OTF that he wants to play for stacks for (unless he knows CO is likely to shove wide if he just flats)
Pretty sure a set can be behind on this flap vs some hands. Maybe he will do it different being 570 deep?
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02-12-2014 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by thepizzlefosho
wait, wut? you're advocating minraise folding the flop? are you joking?

I know you're a very good player who I've learned from on the forums, but please explain how putting money into the pot and then throwing away our strong equity is a good play.
Hehe, I'm just thinking outside the box trying to come up with an optimal line

We can min raise to 70 and have almost 500 behind when facing a jam. The way villain played, it's always a set and our equity isn't sufficient - especially given some of our outs can be in the shorty's hand.

Take a 150 or so off the stacks and this becomes a trivial repot OTF
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02-12-2014 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

Take a 150 or so off the stacks and this becomes a trivial repot OTF
Why?

If BB was not in this hand, we have a super +ev call against the c/shove with so many hands. If we flat the jam with any part of our range, then we also give the BB a very +ev overcall now. So there is a lot of value in folding BB out.

I think we should be clicking a lot of our continuing range, even at slightly shallower stacks, as this gives us some FE, and potentially we can raise/fold some of these hands.

I think we make BBs life very easy by playing a flatting/jamming strategy here, and that clicking maybe all of our continuing range is a dominant strategy.

BB will have poor visibility and is oop, so he has to mostly jam/fold. It is better for us to have the final option of whether to commit stacks, rather than just go ahead and jam.
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02-12-2014 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
naggeri. you do realise it was us that c-bet and BB only flat our c-bet when CO decides to shove? There's no way we can fold against CO's shove alone with the hand we have. And BB most likely raises hands OTF that he wants to play for stacks for (unless he knows CO is likely to shove wide if he just flats)

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
Villain may well have top set here, the stacks provide an awesome slowplay spot to get a big portion of stacks in OTF
basically this.
If BB is solid I think this is the best line to commit himself to the pot
anyway nh OP.
(no chance that I would fold any reasonable against you in the future )
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