BB is a regular. I bet the flop in Positon after the PFA checks to me, I attack often in this spots. I am not sure what the optimal play is on the turn. My standard is a bet. But he could have hit a lot of straights on the turn, he also could have slowplayed a straight on the flop, have also a set or just raising all in with a high wrap+fd or sth. with the assumption that I come with a wide range to the turn. So what is my play b/c, b/f or checkbehind to induce a bluff or maybe safe some $ versus a straight.

Fold pre.

As played Check

^Stop giving horrible advices

Preflops fine. 3-betting agains some, calling against some.
Bet flop higher imo with my entire betting-range, 8,5ish.

Barrel turn

keep betting

LOLZ, dont fold double paired double suited hands and I would be 3betting this hand like 70% of the time.

I think a lot of the made straights on the flop will x/r to isolate you from UTG (except those with flush draws but they will most likely be weak).

Flop sizing ok. Dont want to inflate the pot too much but still make draws pay and I think anything that is calling 7 is calling 8,50.

I would bet 3/4 pot on turn as he will continue to call wraps, combo OESD's.

Plan to bet small on river thats not a club, 9,T, J to try to induce bluff

Another good reason to keep betting is that the nuts haven't changed, so even if he turned straight he can't do much but keep calling.

I'm bet/folding turn and probably checking back rivers if he lets me.

Spazz inducer on river, as suggested above, is interesting but I'm not sure our hand is strong enough to merit an attempt.

middle set is not that strong on a straight and flushing board. Heros is not very far ahead if ahead at all of villains that call a decent sized bet on that turn.
For example:

hero pots turn villain calls...now what?

hero bets 1/2 pot on turn, villain pots the river...now what?

hero bets 1/3 pot on turn, villain checks river, hero bets, villain x/raises...now what?

Contrary to:

villain checks the turn, hero checks back
villain pots/half pots/checks river. hero raise/call/whatever depending on how safe river is..****ch simpler.

checking the turn actually disguises the strength of hero's hand. It does allow some draws to get through on the river, but what draw is villain not calling a bet on the turn with anyway??

I'm never barreling middle set here and expecting to get called by worse.

I am not checking at any point during this to give free cards until river if certain cards fall. Too often we are up against draws that we dont want to realise equity. As soon as we meet aggression I would fold

3bet pre. as played I probably just keep betting.

I like 3 betting > folding > calling pre.
Not a hand I would like to play multiway OOP.
Turn is a bet/fold for me, i am checking back if the turn card was 4
On the river, I am checking back /folding unless I boat up.

I don't think this is true, there are really a lot of hands against a 8-high straight want to jam, and the SPR is really small. (But regardless I agree that I should bet)

cant fold pre

OP Post the River

checking the turn says I don't have the nut straight.
on a unpaired non-club river, do you think you can get villain off his low straight if you re-raise pot on the river?

if you put villain on the low straight, barreling turn and river if you miss has the best chances of getting him off his hand.

I wouldn't call pre. It's 3 bet or fold.

As played I'm betting on the turn.

Hand plays better as a 3bet pre providing we're not going to get 4bet much. If there's a decent chance of being 4-bet then calling pre is fine and definitely better than folding.

Why are people concerned about bottom set 100BB?. If you look at stackoff ranges I think bottom set is doing very well in a small pot. Sure we sometimes put it in almost dead but you can make that argument about every hand pf. There are also lots of spots where villain will happily stack off with top 2.

Meant this in terms of whether to play this preflop, not related to the postflop part of this hand.

i bet turn - he folded

Bottom Set is often doing fine for 100, with Topset you never get it bad in, but most of the time you are just a small favorite versus a draw. With bottomset you get it in very bad sometime, but then again you get it in as a huge favorite versus hand like top 2, which doesn't happens often with top set. Every good player is a winning player with bottomset, but it is Poker and you can't generalize. Obviously just winning when you hit a set is not enough, you also have to win enough to even out the times you miss.

I am doing arround 1kbb/100 with bottomset and 2kbb/100 with Topset. Would be nice if some guys posting their results, to have a comparision. (you find it at hem und More Filters/Hand Value Filters/Strength of Flop Hand)

Bottom set - 875 BB/100
Top set - 2412 BB/100

For bottom set we're going to lose about 200-500 BB/100 when we call a PF raise and miss so from our anecdotal evidence, this hand looks like a winner. We're also double suited so this is near the top of our "bottom set" hands.