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plo100 - push flop? plo100 - push flop?

10-08-2013 , 05:32 AM
hy guys,

villain is a reg: 32/20/7; 3bet sb/bb 5; cbet hu as 3bettor 60%

What do you think about this hand? imho preflop no way: hero never fold; flop?

bye






    IPoker, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19848141

    Hero (BTN): $189.08 (189.1 bb)
    SB: $93 (93 bb)
    BB: $39.80 (39.8 bb)
    MP: $56.60 (56.6 bb)
    CO: $123.85 (123.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 9 7 Q
    MP calls $1, CO folds, Hero raises to $4.50, SB raises to $15.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $11

    Flop: ($33) 2 9 5 (2 players)
    SB bets $16.50, Hero raises to $81, SB calls $61 and is all-in

    Turn: ($188) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($188) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $188 pot ($3.50 rake)
    Final Board: 2 9 5 A 6
    Hero mucked T 9 7 Q and lost (-$93 net)
    SB showed 8 T 9 7 and won $184.50 ($91.50 net)



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    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-08-2013 , 05:40 AM
    We need like 35,5% to make pushing profitable
    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    7,626,820 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: 295
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    5%60.02% 4,562,78530,168
    ts9sqd7d39.98% 3,033,86730,168

    But this assumes he calls every time, so the real math would be a bit different (since he's probably not calling naked overcards).

    I do however think that in this exact spot pushing is slightly preferable to calling and folding turns unimproved, since there arent a lot of money left in stacks and there arent that many good turns for us.
    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-08-2013 , 07:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by apo5tol
    We need like 35,5% to make pushing profitable.

    I dont want to derail this thread but what is the math behind this?
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    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-08-2013 , 08:47 AM
    only folding flop is a mistake here
    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-08-2013 , 01:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cashnotakite
    I dont want to derail this thread but what is the math behind this?
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    Oops, it seems I have made a math mistake that actually makes a bit of a difference).
    On the flop effective stacks are: 93-15.5=77.5
    So if we assume that villain goes with it on flop every time, we are putting in 77.5 into a pot of 188, so we need 41.2% actually, which my simulation suggests that we dont have. I guess this makes calling a better option (since I dont think we can just outright fold this, seems way too nitty)

    However, after thinking about this a bit more, I think pushing is still the better play, since villain can sometimes make a mistake by folding a hand with enough equity to call, something like AhKh8c7c or AhKhQcJc (basically naked overcards that do have like 40% against our hand)
    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-08-2013 , 04:43 PM
    i call flop and hope to improve on turn, also bluff a lot of turns when checked to
    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-08-2013 , 06:01 PM
    call and reevaluate turn
    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-08-2013 , 10:42 PM
    I push flop... I know we are getting a good price but I think we get some folds and we won't improve on many turns and villain will have under one psb. His visibility will be better than ours on most turns.
    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-09-2013 , 07:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tyrannic
    His visibility will be better than ours on most turns.
    how?
    plo100 - push flop? Quote
    10-09-2013 , 08:28 AM
    Call imo. We use the advantages of position and a wide perceived range on a lot of turns.
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