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04-18-2016 , 04:25 AM
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How to play this hand from SB? Should I 3bet, call or fold?

Button's RFI from button is 92% over 400 hands. BB's fold to steal is 50%. Not sure what other stats I should be looking at.

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    CO: $106.90 (106.9 bb)
    BTN: $127.34 (127.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): $100.50 (100.5 bb)
    BB: $526.64 (526.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q 8 K T
    CO folds, BTN raises to $3




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    04-18-2016 , 05:14 AM
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    If you have a fold to resteal stat on BTN that can be helpful in this spot.

    My only reason to 3bet here is that there's decent FE against BB and this hand will play out better HU w/ BTN. Call if you're comfortable taking this MW a decent amount of the time.
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    04-18-2016 , 05:26 AM
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    Button's fold steal to 3b is 0/8.

    Moreover, I wasn't sure if playing a bloated pot HU from out of position is the right play. I could be wrong.
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    04-18-2016 , 08:22 AM
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    Folding this from SB seems perfectly reasonable to me. 3 betting would be really bad.

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    04-18-2016 , 11:39 AM
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    call
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    04-18-2016 , 12:00 PM
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    Just fold.
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    04-18-2016 , 05:23 PM
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    fold > 3bet > call IMO.

    3bet is only a consideration since button's range is super wide, and will only work if he plays nitty post.
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    04-19-2016 , 02:22 AM
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    Thats prob a ~top 40% hand. And you wanna 3bet oop?
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    04-19-2016 , 07:03 AM
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    seems like a clear fold
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    04-19-2016 , 09:22 AM
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    Fold. If one suited I would call and if double suited I would consider a 3bet sometimes but not always

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    04-19-2016 , 09:26 AM
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    +1 for fold it
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    04-19-2016 , 10:29 AM
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    bb squeeze % vs btn steal would be interesting.
    seems like a call esp if bb is overfolding a bit. close annoying spot tho, which imo is another reason to call
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    04-19-2016 , 11:23 AM
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    Quote:
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    bb squeeze % vs btn steal would be interesting.
    seems like a call esp if bb is overfolding a bit. close annoying spot tho, which imo is another reason to call
    Wow people really overread all these stats. The hand without suits are trash. That stat is only interesting if we had one suit or double suited.

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    04-22-2016 , 03:49 AM
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    Looks like folding is the best option here.

    I'm assuming this hand would have been a clear 3b if it was double suited.

    What if it was single suited? Do we then call/fold or 3bet from sb?

    In general, what kind of hands should we flat from sb? KK, QQ, JJ? Mid/low rundowns with suited A?
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    04-22-2016 , 10:22 PM
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    I'd like to add as a general rule, you should actually be playing pretty tight from SB, even against BTN openers. I.e. defend less, 3bet tighter etc.

    You'll find (with tracking software) that you're more often than not losing at a decent bb/100 rate from SB, at least -20bb/100. It's just so unprofitable to play with bad absolute position in general. I think I'm losing like 32bb/100 from SB over a pretty big sample.
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    04-24-2016 , 04:50 PM
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    call or fold and thats it. You are out of postion, you dont know what BB will do, you are not having any big equity edge against any hand and you usually dont have any foldequity in this spot. So: why even consider bloating the pot? Only reason would be that you play against a total idiot(s).
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    04-25-2016 , 01:45 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolarAU
    I'd like to add as a general rule, you should actually be playing pretty tight from SB, even against BTN openers. I.e. defend less, 3bet tighter etc.

    You'll find (with tracking software) that you're more often than not losing at a decent bb/100 rate from SB, at least -20bb/100. It's just so unprofitable to play with bad absolute position in general. I think I'm losing like 32bb/100 from SB over a pretty big sample.
    I think you'll find that if you put a lot of work into your leading game you can get away playing a lot more SB combos than you thought. Especially true when the pot is multiway
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    04-25-2016 , 11:03 PM
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    Rainbow hands are utter trash oop.
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