Not much info,i guess the hand played it self or we call 3bet on flop and fold turn to paired and flush boards?

is it too much gamble,i mean we cant be that far behind or far a head ,might be a unnecessary flip?



PokerStars - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $196.58 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 27)
BB: $136.16 (VPIP: 58.82, PFR: 35.29, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 17)
Hero (UTG): $106.47
CO: $100.00 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 70)
BTN: $98.50 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has 8 7 J T

Hero raises to $3.50, fold, fold, SB calls $3.00, fold

Flop: ($8.00, 2 players) 9 8 4
SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB raises to $21.00, Hero raises to $70.64, SB raises to $193.08 and is all-in, Hero calls $32.33 and is all-in

Turn: ($213.94, 2 players) 2

River: ($213.94, 2 players) 5

SB shows K Q 8 9 (Flush, King High)
(Pre 55%, Flop 62%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows 8 7 J T (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 45%, Flop 38%, Turn 0%)
SB wins $211.14

standard , wp. He is crushing our range but in most spots we are very +EV to showdown on this flop.

board: 9s8c4s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
8d7sJhTd 32.80% 807 0
99As2s 67.20% 1,653 0



board: 9s8c4s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
8d7sJhTd 47.96% 1,019,709 25,246
99 52.04% 1,107,545 25,246





Omaha Hi Simulation ?
100,860 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 9s8c4s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
8d7sJhTd 44.25% 44,634 0
AAs5s 55.75% 56,226 0


you really have to get it in on the flop. especially it's heads up so he could be somewhat marginal to raise here. but even if he has a very strong hand we should be in okay shape.

The 16 out 5 card wrap (fully automatic wrap?) is much stronger than the 13 out 4 card wrap.

no we should not get it in here

This is what I thought when first seeing the hand. If it was rainbow, I'd be more likely to get in. We have position and we can use that to not throw away a stack.

I think we can bet/call this flop given our equity is good enough to continue but we can be in too rough a shape to get it in super profitably here occassionally. The benefit of calling over GII is that we can use our position to take away the pot when checked to on some turns or take some free cards going into the river, but I don't think you could be faulted for GII here as you're more often than not up against a dry set and our equity is fine against sets, OPs and other strong value on this flop.

right...lets see what others think

It is never checked back to us on turn though.

i agree

ether check flop or bet call. Getting it in here is a disaster especially since we have position.

Turn is an EZ fold

You should put in your equity vs certain hands he does this with. I guess you can't be too far behind a set, but vs a flush draw + 2 pair you are crushed.

than we call safe turn cards. He's never bombing a flush turn with out a flush - that's suicide. He's also probably not bombing the board pairing.

We call any card that isn't a spade or turn pair.

I agree

what are his reads on you?
meh.
once i bet/call flop and i hit a straight which completes a flush, i wouldnt always fold to a shove on the turn. same with a 7 obv...

Shoving here is a losing play, just flat the check raise

More +EV to call and fold flushing turns. You don't have much fold equity in this spot, especially against someone with those stats.

People don't bluffraise/fold flop often enough for a pot/gii after the raise to be good. If you believe there's actually some good chance of a fold then its OK (at best). So just flat the raise and play poker. There are tons of different turn/river scenarios.

check flop when u make 5 card wrap and pair hu?

and i think bet raising flop is pretty spewy/bad here

Thanks for all inputs,

to sum it up i guess the best way is to call and play turn.
If non flushdraw on flop i guess its good to play the way i did.

Loose open flop is just clear bet/call imo

I don't like this middle hole JT87ss UTG to have in potting range but meh (JT9 is so much better then JT8 UTG pot it's ridonc)

it is virtually inconsequential due to perceived rate of his barrel considering SPR, if he doesn't barrel he is probably stronger and turn fold is as I say, nothing. Consdiering checking back for 'free rivers' is also without substance considering that him having a no pair super draw is going to happen a decent frequency.

does anyone like to check it back on the flop? We are usually crushed by a cr range here but our hand has some equity. Our hand appears to strong to fold but really it is not. our hand is way to weak to get it in here. I like to use position in these situations. There is always a redraw if we make our hand, so i do not like betting here all that much.

To the nonbolded: I like checking otf. Mostly because I like playing small ball and this is a texture that hits villains very often and is getting c/r'ed a bit.

To the bolded: It's enough to at least b/c. We have 10 outs to the nuts with position and villain's going to make mistakes ott when we hit because of it.

Not sure why you call it a 16 card wrap when there's a fd on flop

i'm not sure why u guys play liked scared little girls

I'm not sure why you want to just negate your positional advantage