UTG is a 26/18/7
CO is a 30/17/5

both are good reasonably aggressive regs.

UTG showing strength on the turn worries me as he could've easily cbet KK on the flop in addition to the threat of AA. Also CO calling twice made me feel like best case scenario if we shove is that we're up agianst AKxx and a flushdraw+wrap type hand 3way. What do u guys think.

as a sidenote, I only just checked UTG's positional raise 1st stats and they're identical from UTG/MP/CO (27%ish). That, in addition to being results-oriented, makes it look like a shove I guess.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($97)
Hero ($103)
UTG ($336)
CO ($157)
BTN ($614)

Dealt to Hero 9 9 8 5

UTG raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $2.50

FLOP ($11) A 9 4

Hero checks, UTG bets $8.25, CO calls $8.25, Hero calls $8.25

TURN ($35.75) A 9 4 K

Hero checks, UTG bets $26.81, CO calls $26.81,

not thrilled with the call pre.

as played jam turn


you mention UTG shows strength on the turn. vs 2 other players i would expect to bet bigger than 26$ on such a drawy board if he had AA , KK..

now we've gooten to river: cf

Yeah fold pre. This is what happens when we flop middle set and there is 3 way action.

Not a fan of betting for information, but this a case where if we bet the flop and turn, we are probably only getting raised by better and can fold. Obviously one of the guys can raise with the flush draw and we fold. Oh well. That happens.

Taking a passive line against aggressive players with a hand that wants a cheap showdown isn't going to work.

This hand makes me cry

fold pre and jam turn

Folding pre is standard, but I would call most of the time this deep.

Now ship it and be quite happy with it. They should both have quite a lot of A's and K's in their ranges, so it makes it less likely that eighter one has a set.

Being worried that one has KK on the turn is too nitty. He could've easily cbet AA on the flop, so should we fold because a small percentage of his betting range beats us? If you play hands like these, and are lost when you hit the board really, really hard, you either need to reevaluate playing these hands or determining you can extract enough value from them when you hit.

Turn should be a c/r all the time.

being worried about KK just pushed me over to the call side ott, plan otf was to check/shove blank turns. reason for worrying about KK is I was assuming he had a tight UTG opening range (~10-15). flawed reasoning perhaps, as AK is a huge part of that range, and is always betting here 'with confidence' (timingtells and what not, meh).

but yeah, seeing his UTG/UTG+1 opening range made this a clear shove in hindsight. do you guys feel shoving still has more value than calling if he has a, say 12% range? judging by the replies so far I guess it's an obv shove even then.

Ah being live makes me want to xrf flop as u crush his Flatting range and can easily get money in on turn

wouldn't you think he'd usually be getting it in otf with Ah***h and three overcards to the 9. possibly even two overs

I think raising nfd is so 2010, without any jokes. Most of the people nowadays just flat with it. And is he would have suited ABBB most of the people would 3bet with it.

oh i was thinking about UTG. didn't see lifes3ps was talking about the flatter.

yeah that seems like a reasonable line actually. smart people itt after a drooler OP

Why the **** are you flatting turn? No upside whatsoever. Shove.