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07-10-2017 , 09:50 AM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 90.1 BB (VPIP: 32.26, PFR: 20.97, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 62)
BTN: 88.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 42)
SB: 112.7 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BB): 140.8 BB
UTG: 167.9 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 4 A 4

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, BTN raises to 3.6 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.6 BB, UTG calls 2.6 BB

Flop: (11.3 BB, 3 players) T A 9
Hero checks, UTG bets 10.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 10.8 BB

Turn: (32.9 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 22 BB, UTG calls 22 BB

River: (76.9 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 38 BB

My call on the flop was probably not very good. I am only drawing to the flush, and it will be very obvious if I get there. So, there's not a lot of implied odds against the big bet. Once we get to the turn, my thinking is that the big bet on the flop was probably to protect two pair or a set on a very draw heavy flop. I am probably overthinking this guy's ability, but it makes sense.

It seems to me that he will not have QJxx a whole lot of the time, while it is very likely that I checkcalled a big drawing hand and would. So, I bet (intending to fold if raised). When I get called, it seems extremely unlikely that he has QJxx because he probably would have raised the nuts with the possible flush draw, which he doesn't hold the nut draw to. I could hit the flush, or bet on rivers that don't change the nuts.

The king on the river doesn't change the nuts, which I already put a low probability on him holding. So, I bet. I think, at this point, I win way more often than a third of the time.
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07-10-2017 , 03:41 PM
I think it's good you're thinking creatively about generating EV in non-standard lines, but that said I don't think this is good. Especially ott, your immediate FE is just so low against the range of hands he pots the flop with.

Pre: fine

Flop: I would fold, as you said, overall implied odds aren't too great, you're not getting paid so often when you hit your flush, and your life can get miserable on paired runouts.

Turn: Why isn't QJ in his range? Seems like all kinds of QJ can take this line so far for him. Maybe it isn't so likely he would pot the flop with naked QJ without fd or 2p+, but who knows? How many QJ is in Hero range after xc flop to psb?? Not so many.

River: Once you get here like this, prefer this street to turn play, but don't like it either, his folding range is pretty narrow like 99, TT, and a few two pairs. Holding Ax sucks for Hero bc it blocks V's AT, A9, AA.
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07-10-2017 , 04:17 PM
bad
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07-10-2017 , 04:36 PM
Yeah its bad. You're bluffing into a player that limped in then donkbet a multiway flop when he probably has at least a set or 2pair by the river. Vs a tough player your line still isn't recommended but its not unreasonable he'll just give you QJ and fold a lot. But that isn't your opponent here.
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07-10-2017 , 04:43 PM
In general I would at least like to have some kind of blockers to be making bluffs like this.
If I am villain I would view that 2/3 pot lead on turn as pretty fishy and would look you up with a pretty wide range.

Also, taking lines like this at PLO 10 against a random UTG limper (who I will assume is a drooler) is probably not going to make you much money in the long run.
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07-10-2017 , 05:00 PM
fold flop when someone donks that big multi way you can get away from marginal hands pretty easily/happily. Hand should end here

turn you have no blockers / QJ is def in his range and a good part of his cbetting range, also at these lvl stakes he would prob snap call with his 2ps / sets here so you aren't getting anything except air to fold essentially

river you are burning $$
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07-10-2017 , 05:55 PM
Spoiler:
Alright, looks like I just got very lucky then (as UTG folded river without too much thought).


I figured it was just a fold the flop situation. It just feels like I give up a bunch of equity in spots like this, but I suppose it doesn't matter when I can't realize that equity in any reliable way. I thought I would try something different.

My reasoning for him not having a lot of QJ hands was the ones that hit the flop hard QJTT, AQJT, AKQJ, AQJ9, etc. are all hands that I 'assume' he isn't limping. I could be wrong about this range. It isn't that he never has QJ, more that I don't expect it too often and I do expect him to make it obvious when he does.

I know, I know, I am still working on my game a lot.
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07-11-2017 , 08:42 AM
Did villain fold river? If so, zoja?
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