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10-19-2014 , 01:44 PM
$0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

MP: $51.18
CO: $60.34
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $41.00
UTG: $50.00

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 9 J T 7

UTG raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.00, 4 players) 7 9 6
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks

Turn: ($7.00, 4 players) 8
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $6.68, Hero raises to $26.72, fold, fold, MP calls $20.04

River: ($60.44, 2 players) A
Hero???

Don't really wanna squeeze here.
OTT I didn't want to bet first with x/r intention, because don't know how to play on flush rivers.
Fortunately fish (52/14/7, bet turn 38, aggression turn 2) bet pot and I made x/r and got called. River is not the best.
What to do here?
What do you think about hand at all?
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10-19-2014 , 03:06 PM
Preflop and flop look good. On the turn I would probably just pot it. If everyone folds that's great, if we get one caller and play a moderately sized pot HU, that's ok too. If we get 2/3 callers it becomes unlikely we win the hand unless we hit one of our bricks, but that's ok, since we win a bigger pot when those bricks roll off. If the turn gets checked through that's pretty bad for us imo.

On the river it looks like you have 21.53$ left and the pot is 60.44$. I don't think I'm gonna check/fold unless I REALLY know what this guy is doing. Since sets and clubs didn't improve to showdownable hands I think there's a good enough chance we pick up a bluff here so that c/c will be better than c/f.

As for shoving, our only value target is the T high straight. But since we have a T in our hand and we don't have any club or diamond, it should be far more likely that villain has either a flush or a non-showdownable hand. So betting is unlikely to accomplish much.
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10-19-2014 , 11:16 PM
I hope your question about the river is if it's a shove or a C/C

I think it's a cc fwiw...
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10-19-2014 , 11:59 PM
Don't really like going for the turn xr on the double flush draw board
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10-20-2014 , 12:04 AM
as played i c/c river, if it was deeper I would bet a weird small sizing.

as for earlier street I think Ph33roX was right on.
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10-20-2014 , 08:49 AM
Yeah c/c river.

I don't mind the turn cr if you think it's likely that someone takes a stab.
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10-20-2014 , 09:18 AM
I think should be betting flop. You ahve good amount of nuts, block their raising range, can easily fold if they do raise, turn will be tricky vs calls, but not really, if the nuts hasn't changed just pot again... 'someone had to have the T8 on flop' - that's what they wil think.

Turn I lead, but are in freeroll central here. I don't go for CR as I don't see anything betting that isn't freerolling us. This hand is not going to hold up on the river very often.

Preflop is kind of unsolved to me, I am calling just because I want to play this fun hand, but don't particularly feel comfortable in getting profit out of it on SB in multiway pot against non monkeys, and if there are alot of tables then I just muck it, the SB value here is very neglible vs UTG open - if it was liike wide CO steal and BTN and BB it's a lot different. It has nice wrap potential but it's only J high against fairly strong UTG and MP ranges. Big pots will come down alot to 'cold deck' and there is little room to manouvre when OOP Multiway,,,,,

As for river, anything is fine, except folding. That is actualyl a decent river, except the diamond was an A, which is the worst diamond to come, but only slightly, you kind of know he doesn't have Add combo draws on flop, so the Ad coming makes his other flushes heavier.

In general I would advocate a blocker bet on river.... something that is hard to resist, particular for aces up.
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10-20-2014 , 04:11 PM
I'd be hard pressed to fold for my last $20 in a $60 pot, so the money is going in whether its a check / call or shove.

MPs bet / call on the turn feels like he's got a straight, its pretty hard to justify calling there with anything besides a straight. Possibly a set with a FD, but you've basically turned over your hand and announced you have a straight. Although we've all seen calls with naked FDs in this spot, the fact that the A hits on the river, makes it even more unlikely that MP decided to get frisky with some sort FD that catches a thin piece of the turn.

I don't really see any other decision but putting it in. If MP really is a fish, I expect to get called by worse straights most of the time, and BS weak flushes hardly enough to worry about.
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10-20-2014 , 09:39 PM
I'd just pot the turn. Potting the turn makes villains define their hands, which makes our hand easier to play on the river and keeps the SPR larger than c/raising. This is a scary ass board on the turn, so most villains that are actually stealing with little/no equity here would just bet/fold obv. On the other hand, a villain taking a stab here w/ a hand that can bet/call must have decent equity against a hand like hero's that has to dodge half the deck on the river to remain nutted. Once we check/raise the turn, we basically put ourselves in a guessing game on the river in a bloated pot and OOP. Yeah yeah, I know we only have 1/3 pot behind, but we are always losing that last $20 when we are beat(should always be putting it in whether it is c/c or shove, our action depending on river card obv) and not always gaining it when we remain ahead(villain can fold to a shove unimproved or check behind if we get fancy and allow him the opportunity to bluff on blank rivers). As played, I'm check/calling the river, but I don't expect to have the best hand/take the whole pot all that often.
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10-21-2014 , 05:07 PM
pre I am OK after the UTG which is presumably a regular (full stack) opens if you 3-bet and he comes over the top there is a lot of money in the pot and not enough behind imo. OTF I am with you. OTT I think some times you need to bet here. We do this for principle of not being robotic and predictable. Both actions are fine since if you get called by more than one villain then you know the flush card kills your hand an extremely large percentage of the time. x r is also fine since with this sizing you are left with a standard c-c OTR.
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10-21-2014 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

Turn I lead, but are in freeroll central here. I don't go for CR as I don't see anything betting that isn't freerolling us. This hand is not going to hold up on the river very often.
Just out of curiosity, if someone is freerolling us OTT, is there any valid point in flatting there and not jamming?
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10-22-2014 , 11:33 AM
You have to read between the lines somewhat because I talk ****, and take for granted that people understand then when I make claim that 'is freerolling us' this takes into account that the betting range that isn't freerolling is betting the flop. But BB may have a T high straight range with combo draw,

also I exagerate alot, by anything I am talking in terms of what is significant with regards to GTO .

If we know we are being freerolled then yeah we flat and CC, but we CR due to uncertainty and 100bb stack.
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