Hi guys, I have a question about how to play the Turn. Here is the hand:

Poker Stars $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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BTN: $37.23 - VPIP: 46, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 1,5, Hands: 26
SB: $25.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 3,0, Hands: 39
BB: $28.55 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 13, AF: 10,0, Hands: 52
UTG: $58.15 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 3
MP: $54.88 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 11, AF: 2,9, Hands: 173
Hero (CO): $25.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 3,9, Hands: 43679

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 9 A Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, 1 fold, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) 9 2 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.15, BTN folds, BB raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2.10

Turn: ($9.15) J (2 players)
BB bets $5.00, Hero?

Since we are not pushing an equity edge against a calling range of 9xxx I feel my raise is mostly for protection.

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board: 929J

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AhKsQh9h	49.97%	220,070	53,157
9	50.03%	220,413	53,157

Protection > let him bluff river or let him bluff river > protection?

Since he got so much reverse implied odds with alot of backdoor draws I am leaning toward a call, what do you guys think?

my suspicion is its best to just call.

Best spot to raise would have been otf. As played, turn I'm just calling

Well against a 9xxx I agree, but I think he got a lot of air/overpair/backdoors and I want him to keep bluffing turn.

Edit: Also my hand is literally face up if i re-raise flop. Anyone else advocating re-raising flop?

I reraise flop here. Don't bomb it just click it back and balance it with some bluffs of your own. You can take a call/call line with weaker 9x. Here you don't mind getting stacks in on the flop, so raise this hand small to preserve your ability to rebuff him when he c/r's.

You really think the 15/12 over 52 hands grinding PLO 25 has alot of air/overpairs/backdoors when he check raises the flop here, and then bets the turn?

against anyone i never 3bet flop.

turn my metric to decide whether i shove or call is to look at the hand and figure how good bluffcatcher it is on rivers. i am very concerned about getting overruned by many random people if i dont put bluffcatchers in call-call range.

this particular runout of 992*J turn flushdraw is very clean in deciding for bluffcatchers for me. i like to shove all A9 which dont have the flush blocker since i hold top kicker and not even for bluffcatching purposes, if i dont hold the A flush blocker and he randomly has a flushdraw, he can bet turn and check flushing river (he should check the river anyway, he isnt getting much value from worse) and you allowed him to get into this spot. so i am shoving turn for value+protection. aside that i am calling any other 9x whether its J9 or A9 with flush blocker. on flush river he will bet only fullhouses
. other nonflush river cards depend on the rank of the card. the higher the rank is, the less likely will trips try to valuebet because it hits CO range more and more.
In case of straight completing nonflush card i would bluffcatch only with blockers to straight EVEN though he isnt likely to valuebet straight

The whole spot is too complex for me, because the frequency of this spot happening is too low so i dont exactly know what are people doing. i remember some shocking showdowns someone tried to valuebet super random straights that got there or naked A9 , so i overall i am not very sure.

Last note to play this spot safe (flush/straight completing river) is to assume people are underbluffing because they check/raised flop, bet turn and bet river and this is plo25 zoom (impossible they even bluff balanced ratio, not even talking about overbluffing) . if you grab a sample on someone being super super bluffy, sure go on with over-defending trips with bad blockers

Yes

That's my thought. He isn't putting much more money in here anyways if he is bluffing or has an overpaid. People think lower limit people are super spewy. Sometimes they are, but more likely than not they just play the cards in front of them. The turn is a weird spot now that we didn't raise imo. It's going to be call, call ott and otr. Don't like it.

Well okey maybe I overthink it a bit and put him on more crap than I should, it's just that my bet look weak and his raise is so small that i automatically think he is ****ing with me some times. Maybe a big leak for me actually

Edit: in this case (villian got most valuehands) I guess re-raise flop is best?

~70% of this is gobbledygook

Which is the 30% that is not?

I didn't read it but, I saw the word underbluffing in there somewhere which is probably the part that is right.

I like you already

gobbledygook likes to overbet-end it early which isn´t possible
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I think piling on money on the turn is a bad idea. If he's airballing the hand's obviously over as soon as we raise (might not be terrible actually, protection can be needed). When we raise it's basically praying that he has a random worse 9 which isn't boated already. Like, "plzlz have 8897 and call our raise". A bit wishful imo. It'd also be a strange c/r by him otf unless he's the most merged and balanced mother****er in PLO25 history.

That said it's pretty obvious we shouldn't fold. River will be a hoot and a half to play. In other words MIGHT GET ***** DICEY if we brick and he barrells


A decent scenario is that villain has figured out that bluff c/r'ing paired disconnected flops is somewhat of a money-printer against the standard tight/weak regs at Plo25, and now decided to follow through on the turn. Still doesn't help us much decision wise though, but that should be a not unimportant chunk of his range

edit: To sum up this post: **** if I know, poker is hard. Don't fold, ldo

edit2: IMPORTANTE: Make sure that J9xx is in your turn calling range here. Raising it would be pretty terrible imo but that might not be obvious to everyone

edit3: If we brick river and he barrells any substantial amount I think it's a fold. Those stats don't exactly scream "I'm gonna c/r bluff flop 3ways and then barrell off my stack"...

call flop
call turn

River will be tricky. Hopefully he bets small/hesitantly enough that you can call, but unless we boat up its probably a fold. People are generally just too passive to just auto-checkraise random nines and then just auto-barrel every street for value, let alone bluff.

I think you will base your river decision on timing tells

ohh, timing tells is the nutz!

You guys are crazy for wanting to turn the nuts into a bluffcatcher by calling flop.

Flop isn't nuts obviously, but this is a board that can be attacked often. 3bet flop only manages to fold out bluffs and get money in against worse/ A9, 9's, 22 and 92. Calling flop/ turn is perfectly fine. In villain's eyes we can just be calling down with like QQxx+ (mainly KK, AA) so he can barrel all of his air that decided to x/r flop and value bet his strong hands, so by just calling we increase the range of hands that give us value by betting into us when they're behind.

tl;dr bet/call flop, call turn, make decisions on rivers.

Click it back on the flop

Can't tell if this is sarcastic but why would you ever click it back? I just don't understand why anyone would ever click it back in any situation. What does min-raising accomplish? Why not raise larger? Are you going to be clicking it back there with bluffs because that price is insane and you would get lots of overpairs or 9s to call and then you can get into a world of hurt when basically requires you to fire again on turn.