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09-22-2015 , 05:04 PM
PokerStars Zoom Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($17.03)
SB ($26.65)
BB ($71.76)
UTG ($60.66)
Hero (MP) ($25)
CO ($26.73)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, K, A, J
UTG raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.90, 4 folds, UTG calls $2.05

Flop: ($6.15) Q, 4, 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.13, UTG raises to $18.28, Hero ??


Pre, UTG opening range of villain is 28%, so kind of wide also if I would have suit to ace I would just call it, but as it is non nutty I prefer to 3bet/fold this.

What to do on the flop? I fell like I should b/c here as he have so wide range, and he could be pushing here any 5432 and higher wraps + some Qxx as his x/r is 19%.

Spoiler:

villain 99 55 >.<
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09-22-2015 , 06:59 PM
Yeah we can't b/f this.
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09-22-2015 , 09:23 PM
^ Yup. Would be nice to have some BDFD's though.
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09-22-2015 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pacx
Pre, UTG opening range of villain is 28%, so kind of wide also if I would have suit to ace I would just call it, but as it is non nutty I prefer to 3bet/fold this.
AKQJss is a top-10% hand, don't fold it.
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09-22-2015 , 11:15 PM
Tough spot. Hard to put villain on much that's beating us. Probably AA or KK trying to GII on what is generally a safe flop. We block top set, other sets/ 2pair combos shouldn't be in UTG's opening range (unless he's a good villain that knows he'll never get credit for 44/55). Regardless, I like a bet fold with some of our 2pair outs likely tainted and pretty much no back doors.
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09-23-2015 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
AKQJss is a top-10% hand, don't fold it.
Why don't 3b/fold this type of hand if his 4bet is AA is 100%? :P
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09-23-2015 , 07:43 AM
Thought you meant 3-bet or fold. That's fine.
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09-23-2015 , 11:08 AM
I don't want to be raised off this hand in a raised pot. I check behind on flop.
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09-23-2015 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cap217
I don't want to be raised off this hand in a raised pot. I check behind on flop.
First rule of c-betting: you should not check behind just because your opponent's raising range is too strong for his own good. For example, if your opponent is check-raising only sets, you'd have to fold 55KT to a raise. But I hope this wouldn't lead you to the ridiculous conclusion that you should check 55KT behind under those circumstances.
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09-24-2015 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
First rule of c-betting: you should not check behind just because your opponent's raising range is too strong for his own good. For example, if your opponent is check-raising only sets, you'd have to fold 55KT to a raise. But I hope this wouldn't lead you to the ridiculous conclusion that you should check 55KT behind under those circumstances.
In a vacuum eyes. In this spot I check. We never have kt55 here so what you're saying doesn't work in this spot. Our hand isn't strong enough to call a raise and we have too much equity to get blown off it.
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09-24-2015 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cap217
In a vacuum eyes. In this spot I check. We never have kt55 here so what you're saying doesn't work in this spot.
Not relevant. Would you check back KT55 in a single-raised pot if you knew for certain that your opponent was only check-raising top set? Same deal.

If you try to dodge this question again I'm going to be suspicious.

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Originally Posted by cap217
Our hand isn't strong enough to call a raise and we have too much equity to get blown off it.
This is only true when your opponent's raising range is quite a bit stronger than it should be. A x/r range that makes AKQJ a fold here is too strong, lol; it's like two-pair+, wraps, some Qx/KK plus open-enders. That's a pretty silly range.

And the part you're missing is that of the following scenarios . . .

a) you have to bet/fold against someone who is check-raising 12%;
b) you bet and can make a very slightly positive EV stackoff facing a raise against someone who is check-raising 25%;

. . . b is worse for your EV. You should be more willing to check back in scenario b than a, even though you can continue after a raise there and "get blown off your equity" in scenario a. It shouldn't be hard to figure out why this is.

Anyway, "having to fold against a x/r" is not a bad thing in itself, ever. It's actually pretty damn meaningless unless you factor in how often that happens.
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09-24-2015 , 04:19 PM
Not dodging your question. If I had kt55 here I would be bet calling or bet shoving. That's a different hand with different equity where turns change boards in other ways.
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