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PLO 200 Heads up 9943-DS river bet sizing question PLO 200 Heads up 9943-DS river bet sizing question

04-21-2016 , 02:37 AM
Playing 1/2 PLO on Bovada. heads up on a 6 max table.

Villian has $214.39, hero covers.

Reads: it's anonymous since it's bovada but I've been running real well against this opponent, he seems tilted and is being aggressive.

Hero is SB and is dealt 9439

Button raises to $6, hero calls.

Flop 6J5

Hero checks, Button bets $8.13, hero calls

Turn T

hero checks, villain bets $24.09, hero calls

River 2

Hero bets $46.16 (into $75.94, made it easy for ya).

What sizing should I be using to bet here? Am I betting enough?

Also, line okay? i'm happy with my line but open to all thoughts.
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04-21-2016 , 02:44 AM
$0
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04-21-2016 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
$0
River check? that's fair, but tell me why it's better than betting here.
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04-21-2016 , 02:54 AM
I mean other than the obvious. He can't be weighting me towards 34. I'm betting here because I think bet/call generates more money then a check/hoping for bet here. But I'm very interested in hearing why i'm wrong.
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04-21-2016 , 02:55 AM
because every draw(but the very worst of em) missed so let him valuetown himself if he has something or let him bluff if he has nothing.

Of course he's gonna check back 1pair hands that will sometimes call off your donkbet on the river but imo the first scenario will happen way more often.

(+ Bet/calls by sets will happen more than 0% of the time and he will close to never raise your donkbet on the river)
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04-21-2016 , 03:04 AM
After more thought I'm heavily leaning towards a check raise. Guess i'm not sure what I was thinking in game on this one. Villian showed up with JJJ but clearly he's betting if I check and calling my raise so i'm losing money. And with anything less I have to let him bet it himself or there's no additional money going in.

heh, /thread. Maybe I should sleep on these hands before posting.
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04-21-2016 , 04:51 AM
Looks like a much better spot for a x/r. Don't think villain's value range is wide/ strong enough and our range of non-showdown hands or missed draws isn't sufficiently wide enough to make leading river look bliffy enough to be picked off.

Going for a x/r gives villain a chance to bet thinly for value with 2p and sets and also gives him a chance to bluff if he has no showdown value. His showdown value hands will have trouble calling a river lead too so TL;Dr x/r superior.
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04-25-2016 , 03:08 AM
fold pre... you would have to pay me $15 bucks to call $5 with this hand
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04-25-2016 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
fold pre... you would have to pay me $15 bucks to call $5 with this hand
Folding pre seems ridiculous to me but the **** do I know
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04-25-2016 , 05:59 AM
Pre is fine imo though we can get into some difficult RIO situations so it can be difficult to play the hand.

Think you played it fine. We might be going for the check raise but betting with the nuts can never be wrong imo.

Sizing is just standard don't see a particular reason to deviate from this amount a lot.
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04-25-2016 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Folding pre seems ridiculous to me but the **** do I know
You are right. Folding pre is horrible bad.

OF4 just keep giving bad advices
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04-25-2016 , 07:50 AM
I like c/f on flop also.
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04-25-2016 , 07:54 AM
9943ds is a very bad omaha hand. In PLO you want hands that can make the nuts. This hand cannot. You are out of position and suffering from serious reverse implied odds.

You don't actually have to try to win every pot. Folding sometimes is okay too.
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04-25-2016 , 08:14 AM
folding pre is a huge mistake - if you are somewhat experienced postflop.
Turn against a pot bet (I guess) seems a little thin, since we need to x/f club rivers.We also "block" the 9, so that there is less chance that we can bluff a 9 on the river to represent the more obvious straight. On the 7 we can only x/c, which is thin (since he won't value bet that card so thin) but we certainly have to call. So turn seems close to me.
All the rest has been said.
€: Nevermind, turn isn't pot so this makes the turn call fine.
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04-25-2016 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
9943ds is a very bad omaha hand. In PLO you want hands that can make the nuts. This hand cannot. You are out of position and suffering from serious reverse implied odds.

You don't actually have to try to win every pot. Folding sometimes is okay too.
2007 called they want their strategy back... You would get crushed folding either pre og flop HU. Stop being stubborn and giving people horrible advices.
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04-25-2016 , 01:16 PM
just seems like a bad spot for any sort of bluffing.

lead gets called by all his value combos

x/r only works vs his missed combos, he should bet call all day vs a river x/r here.

you win this hand a reasonable % of the time with your pair of 9s so why complicate the matter and simply x/c river and set him on mega tilt. worst case he start to think you are a huge station which has all sorts of positive meta game to it.

before people chime in about x/c being bad we beat a whole whack of his 3 barrel range: a lot of 87, 74, AKQ, KQ9, 987, non T/Jcc

he likely x/b a lot of his showdown value so I discount a lot of top pair hands and over pairs from his 3 barrels.

It's by no means a fist pump but I personally believe we net a higher bb/100 x/c this spot then trying to get an ill-conceived bluff through
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04-25-2016 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gakn29
just seems l...ough


we has the noot noots

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04-25-2016 , 07:17 PM
we have the nuts
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04-25-2016 , 07:32 PM
that's wot i said
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04-25-2016 , 07:34 PM
I don't think we can ever fold preflop, this is heads up. I don't like a X/F on the flop either.
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04-26-2016 , 06:36 AM
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this is heads up
oh I didn't notice that actually, since the OP said we were SB and called a raise I though this was 6 max and we were vs button open. So hero is BB in this hand or what?
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04-26-2016 , 07:05 AM
yeah OP's post was confusing to be fair to OF4.
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04-26-2016 , 08:46 AM
well it does say heads up in the title, so i think the blame is at least 70% mine for inattention
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