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Old 12-08-2011, 11:43 AM   #1
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plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

Enemy is a very spewy hiperagro, famous mtt player. he plays 45/32 w 35% 3bet. As played would/could anybody bet/fold here?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($497)
BB ($711)
Hero ($1,343)
CO ($304)
BTN ($1,299)

Hero antes $0.40
CO antes $0.40
BTN antes $0.40
SB antes $0.40
BB antes $0.40

Dealt to Hero A 7 7 A

Hero raises to $8, CO calls $8, BTN raises to $37, SB calls $36, fold, Hero raises to $160, fold, BTN calls $123, SB calls $123

FLOP ($492) K 2 4

SB checks, Hero bets $400, BTN raises to $1,139 (AI), SB folds, Hero calls $739

TURN ($2,770) K 2 4 3

RIVER ($2,770) K 2 4 3 6

Hero shows A 7 7 A
(Pre 64%, Flop 9.5%, Turn 5.0%)

BTN shows K 9 K J
(Pre 36%, Flop 90.5%, Turn 95.0%)

BTN wins $2,768
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:05 PM   #2
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

Prefer calling to 4betting and only getting 10% of stacks in in this spot. I think when you bet that big you have to b/c and hope for K678
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:09 PM   #3
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

I'm expecting a villain with that description to ship most pair+kickers hands and it's a really hard board to have 2p+ on. You should be only slightly behind against his range and you need 27% to call.

board: Kc 2h 4d
Ad 7d 7h As 27.30%
K4**, K2**, KK**, 44**, 22**, 42** ! 36%-100% 72.70%

Notice how it's a call even if he jams only 2p+. Your equity skyrockets to 45% if we include just Kxxx.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:23 PM   #4
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

cant really b/f on that board when hes aggro and pushing with Kxxx.
Think postflop is pretty standard, think if we can discuss something here its the preflop play.

a very premium hand very deep.
think 4bet is pretty standard, dont mind flatting. opinions ?
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Old 12-08-2011, 04:07 PM   #5
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

i prefer flat rather than 4b here.
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Old 12-08-2011, 04:49 PM   #6
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

Can flat or 4b fine. That deep I'd be safer and flat, because I'm a wuss! But 4 betting the hand and being able to take high variance makes it a lot easier to play.

Assuming SB doesn't call, pot SPR~4. You can b/f some nastier boards and b/c dry boards. I think people typically stack off in the SPR4 region with an toppair+gutshot.. is overpair + 4 outs to 2 sets as equitable as that?

In this case, with the SB calling, SPR~2+. If he's somewhat normal you can assume his range is strong rundowns or ds connectables and play accordingly. Stack off on dry boards, maybe c/f a QT7 board or whatever.

As played that's almost a miracle board for your hand. Even against 2 hands you should have a lot of equity. Against a spewy player I'd b/c this all day.
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Old 12-08-2011, 04:58 PM   #7
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

wouldnt change a thing.
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:03 PM   #8
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

i play it the same.

to those who flat instead of 4bet, what do you do on this flop?
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:15 PM   #9
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

4bet every damn time

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Old 12-09-2011, 11:07 AM   #10
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

flat ip, 4bet oop, wp.
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:11 AM   #11
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

i like pre
check it back on the flop imo
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:27 PM   #12
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

Why checkback the flop? Trying to induce from the aggro player? I think we don't want this to be checked back, and if we are playing to c/shove theres almost no FE this shallow
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:27 PM   #13
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

this is an awesome flop for our hand, we should be fistpumping to see it. We're in great shape unless villain binked a set.

o wait...
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:39 PM   #14
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

i think this deep flatting is better pre

im just not sure vil would ever think we are balanced with rundowns etc and so we are basically telling him what two of the cards in our hand are

flop is standard i think. he plays KQJT the same
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:53 PM   #15
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

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i think this deep flatting is better pre

im just not sure vil would ever think we are balanced with rundowns etc and so we are basically telling him what two of the cards in our hand are

flop is standard i think. he plays KQJT the same
exactly. not sure what heroes 3b range OOP is but flatting is really a viable option that superdeep.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:53 PM   #16
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

Play as played.
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:11 PM   #17
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

agree with the call pre, 77 are really low value sidecards for a set of aces and should make you much more reluctant to juice it up
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:39 AM   #18
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

I would also flat pre this deep, unless you have history with villain and he knows your 4bet range is wider then aces. As played he could play perfectly against your (obv) aces.
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Old 12-10-2011, 01:13 AM   #19
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

This deep I think the 4 bet pre is bad unless you've got a crazy 3/4 betting dynamic going on. If you just flat pre, on this flop I would check/raise/fold.
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Old 12-10-2011, 05:29 AM   #20
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

Ugh come on, don't be ridiculous, OP is over 650bb deep, preflop doesn't matter.
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Old 12-10-2011, 06:28 AM   #21
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Ugh come on, don't be ridiculous, OP is over 650bb deep, preflop doesn't matter.
really? any chance you could respond directly to my post on this issue?
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:15 AM   #22
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

There is a option to bet 120-180 and fold, against the deep dude, but he would need to be pretty stupid / he would need to think you are pretty stupid
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:33 AM   #23
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Re: plo 200 deep with ante 650bb deep

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really? any chance you could respond directly to my post on this issue?
think he means we are so megadeep that pre doesnt matter that much.

But i have another question what if villain 4bets light smallish and calls a 5bet to get PSR closer to optimal with his ds rundowns ?
Is this a viable option for villain ?
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