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04-13-2014 , 04:34 AM

tngplo

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 46

I was OOP, and lost some chips, trying to sell my hand as the nut flush.
Maybe I shouldnt try against this big stack

Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25775521

Hero (SB): $38 (38 bb)
BB: $40 (40 bb)
UTG: $212.90 (212.9 bb)
MP: $48.45 (48.5 bb)
CO: $40 (40 bb)
BTN: $79.05 (79.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

UTG raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50, BB folds

Flop: ($7) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($7) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7

River: ($21) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $21, UTG raises to $42, Hero folds

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04-13-2014 , 03:47 PM

Quadtwos

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 412

nothing wrong with the play, it just didnt work this time...make a note on this player that he can raie without the nut flush when facing two street of betting.

Last edited by Quadtwos; 04-13-2014 at 03:49 PM. Reason: wrong thread

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04-13-2014 , 04:49 PM

Okke

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 263

Would you pot pot with the nut flush also?

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04-13-2014 , 05:40 PM

Quadtwos

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 412

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Originally Posted by Okke

Would you pot pot with the nut flush also?

If he doesn't, than he should, given that he pot/pot with the nut blocker. I would have thought that the first rule about bluffing is that we should play both our value bets (those we want our opponent to call) and our bluffs (those we want our opponent to fold) in the same manner.

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04-13-2014 , 06:00 PM

F_Ivanovic

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,658

Shove over his river raise.

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04-13-2014 , 06:03 PM

Okke

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 263

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Originally Posted by Quadtwos

Yeah ofc. This line just seems like an ace blocker and many people seem to bet smaller when they actually have it

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04-13-2014 , 06:05 PM

Okke

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 263

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

Shove over his river raise.

This, stack size however.

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04-14-2014 , 10:08 AM

Travbana

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,573

c/r river, it's 6yer

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04-14-2014 , 11:03 AM

apo5tol

veteran

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,238

Fold, take a note that this particular opponent is mentally handicapped

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04-14-2014 , 11:32 AM

#10

naggeri

adept

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 957

hint:
in Omaha with ~30BBs better to have a hand than not.

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04-14-2014 , 11:34 AM

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naggeri

adept

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 957

how did you manage the last 9 dollars?
Hope you tripled it up 3 times and moved to PLO200

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04-14-2014 , 02:54 PM

#12

Bike Crash

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 100

It's hard to sell bluffs when short stacked. Also, bet the flop. With top pair+gutter+nutfd (representing it anyway), checking the flop makes no sense.

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04-15-2014 , 08:00 AM

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Franchise804

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,127

x/f river

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04-16-2014 , 03:45 AM

#14

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 29,325

Wow vil is soooo bad

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04-16-2014 , 07:14 AM

#15

Grote Smurf

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 31

Nothing wrong with your move. Like said before if we are deeper just raise.

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04-16-2014 , 10:44 AM

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F_Ivanovic

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,658

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Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

Wow vil is soooo bad

Are they really though? Hero has $7 left - it's reasonable to assume that they are probably calling their last $7 with lower flushes and straights, maybe worse too and if I was villain with a J high flush I think I'm probably putting hero all in.

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04-16-2014 , 09:03 PM

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Fizzgibble

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 87

How often does tp/nfd check this flop? Not betting the flop makes it easier for villain to believe you are bluffing later. Half pot/half pot/shove tells a believable story, if villain still calls then you can assume he's ******ed/calling station or both and make a note.

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04-17-2014 , 12:28 AM

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Quadtwos

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 412

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Originally Posted by Fizzgibble

OOP without the inititive, nut FD with at least TP (the ace) makes for an easy CR to get committed on the flop, but as it was checked through, our hero did not have the chance the CR, sp pot/pot after the flush hit the turn makes perfect sense.

Now if our hero had position, with or without the inititive, and decided to check behind with the nut FD with at least TP to go with it, than it makes trying to represent the nut flush a lot more difficult. For this reason, it is sometimes well worth checking behind with the nut FD to encourge action when you do hit the turn.

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