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(PLO 100) Bluff river or take the SD? (PLO 100) Bluff river or take the SD?

11-30-2015 , 07:39 AM
CO is a 36/21 (opens 43% from this spot) reg who folds 27% to 3bets and c-folds 67% OOP and only 4bets 1.6% of hands, so I think the 3bet has a lot of value in that we get a lot of folds pre or on the flop when we miss.

Figured this flop wouldn't be CR'd often as it has the A and I should have a lot of good aces. Its also a such an easy fold if he raises, as I have almost no equity. My plan for the turn was to barrel high hearts (KQJ) and give up if unimproved. With the FD on turn I figured I'd take my equity, also if I had something like AKQJ here I would slow down.

On the river I'm not sure if I should check behind since my hand should have some SD value if villain flopped a SD. Although I think that should be a fairly small part of his range as most people wouldn't be calling with an SD on a FD flop, also if he had the NFD its very likely he'd raise the flop. I figured I'd valuebet AJ here fairly small, given that I think villain has a fairly weak range so he won't be calling a very large bet with A5 for instance.

The problem is that I'm not sure if I'm mainly bluffing the range I'd win at SD. I do think he'd fold AQ and AT here, but unsure if he'd fold AK or better.






$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
CO ($118.69) 119bb
BTN Hero ($218.05) 218bb
SB ($100.50) 101bb
BB ($125.35) 125bb
Pre-Flop: (1.50, 4 players) Hero is BTN 10 9 7 J

CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, CO calls $5

Flop: 5 3 A ($17.50, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $11, CO calls $11
Turn: 8 ($39.50, 2)
CO checks, Hero checks
River: J ($39.50, 2)
CO checks, Hero bets $21

Last edited by BotOnTilt; 11-30-2015 at 07:45 AM.
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11-30-2015 , 03:27 PM
You cant win every hand. Bet big or go home. Maybe you can fold out an AQ here sometimes.with this p.ussy sizeing
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11-30-2015 , 08:42 PM
I would just check.
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11-30-2015 , 09:34 PM
Either check flop or commit to a 3 barrel when you pick up FD.
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12-01-2015 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
Either check flop or commit to a 3 barrel when you pick up FD.
Agree but 8h is not a good card vs an ace so i would just c turn giveup river. 3ball on this runout seems a bit high variance play for me vs an ace
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12-01-2015 , 10:39 AM
Seems like an OK spot to occasionally bluff against described villain. Just be sure your read is correct, against so many fish you're getting autocalled by any ace with this line.
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12-01-2015 , 10:52 AM
that river is a blank - so if you were gonna bluff it shoulda been on the turn.

3 barrel would be very nice


This is just a check back
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12-01-2015 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
Seems like an OK spot to occasionally bluff against described villain. Just be sure your read is correct, against so many fish you're getting autocalled by any ace with this line.

So many bad regs fold vs this line so boarderline..
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12-01-2015 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by naggeri
So many bad regs fold vs this line so boarderline..
Well I don't think its borderline vs unknown I think its just bad. You'll see some nits here and there but I think bad regs are usually bad in the same way fish are.
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12-02-2015 , 05:59 PM
You turn a FD that isn't likely to be dominated + nut GS, I'm so happy to barrel.
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12-03-2015 , 06:04 AM
ID xback flop vs this guy, 3barrel here after fd turn and as played xback river
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12-04-2015 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by naggeri
You cant win every hand. Bet big or go home. Maybe you can fold out an AQ here sometimes.with this p.ussy sizeing
A bit confused why I should bet big here? I don't 3bet a lot (about 6% I think, although in this exact spot I'm doing it a lot more - but villain won't know that). I don't think I'll ever have a monster here, and villains range should also be fairly weak. I'd bet top-2 about the same size here for value.

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Originally Posted by djevans
that river is a blank - so if you were gonna bluff it shoulda been on the turn.

3 barrel would be very nice


This is just a check back
I don't think the turn improves my 3bet range here, fairly often I'll have high broadways and of course I could have AAxx but otherwise I don't see the turn helping me that much, and it would be one of those spots where I'd hate to get CR'd. As said villain folds a ton OOP to cbets in 3bet pots, so I do expect him to have something.

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
Seems like an OK spot to occasionally bluff against described villain. Just be sure your read is correct, against so many fish you're getting autocalled by any ace with this line.
Yeah, I thought he could at least have some draws where he also has some SD value that beats me. Guess thinking about it I'd like it a lot better if the river was a high card that didn't pair me, now that I beat many of his busted draws I could just take the showdown.
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12-05-2015 , 04:16 AM
i would 3 barrel and if i checked turn check river as well
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12-05-2015 , 07:58 AM
I don't think your sizing makes sense since the hands you're valuebetting are aces up+, villain nearly always has a bluffcatcher.

Your assumption for villain x'f AT and AQ but might x'c AK/non-Aces-up-2p doesn't make sense, they're all the same hand [asides from card removal effects].
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12-07-2015 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
I don't think your sizing makes sense since the hands you're valuebetting are aces up+, villain nearly always has a bluffcatcher.

Your assumption for villain x'f AT and AQ but might x'c AK/non-Aces-up-2p doesn't make sense, they're all the same hand [asides from card removal effects].
I meant that if I bet close to pot there he might not look me up with A3, which is not what I'd want the times I have AJ here. So I bet a size that he'd be more inclined to bluff catch with. Obv neither of us very rarely has the straight. Dunno if its a leak then from me that this is my standard size in this spot with top-two, just feels I get so few calls so that bluffing and valuebetting with this size seems fine IMO. Really interested if there would be some merit for betting a lot larger.
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12-07-2015 , 02:24 PM
Definitely should be betting big OTR given you are only really representing AJ and probably have a fair amount of bluffs in your range. When you half pot it limits you to the amount of hands you can bluff with.

If you want to be exploitative and think people are somehow folding 2 pair to larger sized bets then you can bluff larger and v-bet smaller.
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12-07-2015 , 02:35 PM
Ty F_Ivanovic Good post, and love to hear some solid reasoning.
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