Hi all,

What to do when i got 4bet?Do you always fold? dont have much info on player only 13 hadns played.Easy fold to 4bet?

your thoughts are highly appreciated!

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $157.08 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 14)
MP: $107.52 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (CO): $281.03
BTN: $102.66 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 8.77, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 57)
SB: $121.99 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: $65.49 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has K T 5 K

UTG raises to $3.50, fold, Hero raises to $12.00, fold, fold, BB calls $11.00, UTG raises to $48.50, Hero calls $36.50, BB calls $36.50

Flop: ($146.00, 3 players) 7 T 8
BB bets $16.99 and is all-in, UTG raises to $108.58 and is all-in, Hero calls $108.58

Turn: ($380.15, 3 players) 3

River: ($380.15, 3 players) 9

UTG shows A 3 J A (One Pair, Aces)

Main Pot [$196.97]: (Pre 51%, Flop 26%, Turn 19%)
Side Pot#1 [$183.18]: (Pre 76%, Flop 74%, Turn 83%)

Hero shows K T 5 K (One Pair, Kings)

Main Pot [$196.97]: (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 6%)
Side Pot#1 [$183.18]: (Pre 25%, Flop 26%, Turn 18%)

BB shows J 8 T Q (Straight, Queen High)

Main Pot [$196.97]: (Pre 30%, Flop 66%, Turn 75%)

UTG wins $183.18
BB wins $194.17

i dunno if i want to three bet such a tight raiser with this hand

I would fold to the 4-bet since our hand doesn't flop well and he likely has AA when he 4-bets. 3-betting was a mistake in itself, but no need to compound it. Fold flop. This is a quite literal burning of $157.

There's nothing "standard" about this so I'm not sure why that's in the title. The standard here is to flat preflop and hope to spike a set. Unless you love redepositing, I recommend learning the fundamentals at lower stakes.

just flat pre the first time since it's too weak to 3bet even vs. a loose opener, fold to 4bet as played since it flops horribly and the SPR will be too low to do anything, and fold flop because we didn't hit hard enough

Can you let me know when you are playing again please

Does anyone consider just folding to the initial raise or is that playing too tight?

Lol 7% opener from utg= premiums that crush our hand. I would never 3b but I'm always calling in hopes to flop top set on raiser and other callers. Calling 4b is spewing and I would rarely 3b this hand even vs a somewhat loose raiser. Playability is not good especially multiways.

Another thing is we want to invite MP behind us into the pot, not chase him away.

I never would in the thick of things but I think its fine to fold bad kings to a tight early position pot-sized raiser.

Obviously this hand is a flat, whatever, I don't care about that part. The silly thing you're doing here is assuming you're up against an exact 7% opener based on a 14-hand sample.

Ridiculous to 3bet pre

I don't mind 3-bet, fold to 4bet

3-betting preflop is terribad. You have to know going into the flop that unless you flop the world you are lighting money on fire.

Thanks for all inputs.

how is that? Not much different then playing AA on dry boards.

intressting discussion about to 3bet or no 3bet pre.

Keep in mind that its only been 14 hands played so i think his stats are pretty irrelevant.

cant really tell if we are bleeding money if we 3bet in this spot?
But total agree that we should fold to 4bet,bad play from me.

Obviously we fold kings a lot too, really depends on other two cards , position and player who raised. 3-betting with something like KK9J single suited K is standard imo especially versus unknown players. The idea is that we put ourselves in situation to play for stacks with weaker players (more likely to make mistakes) as much as we can and we widen our 3-betting range for that. Regs open a lot too, its ok to 3-bet against them with KK, often they will make mistakes , 3bet on flop with marginal hands to semi bluff, etc.

I think it's easy to say that it's bleeding money because things like this (the bolded) happen a lot in PLO and we have a hand that flops awfully.

I often consider it. I just never do it. I am a nit and idc. If I think that's the right play (for me), then I make it.

This hand is a real mess, I hate 3 betting, and you can fold on the flop

You would also fold to the 4b right?

i dont see how we can fold to a open raise ? i guess calling preflop raise and just fold when dont hit on flop is good ?

- 3 betting vs a 15-20% range is a small mistake
- 3 betting vs 10% opening range is LARGE mistake
- calling the 4B is a LARGE mistake
- folding preflop is a LARGE mistake vs any opening %.

This hand is closer to a fold pf than a 3bet.

Adding to that, there is pretty much no circumstance whereyou should be calling a 4bet with this hand, and the flop is about as bad a one as you you can have.

Flat>> ft4bet >> call4bet
Omg that stackoff is horrible

I see some people think thses kings are trashy and they are but position and the blockers is good enough to 3b, except don't pot because then you ahve to fold to 4b.

3b is speculative, fold to 4b pre if use this sizing.

flop is nasty because you can be running good and you've already spewed, but your odds are bad enough in the main pot to fold, and in the side pot you are still pretty crushed

let me guess though, UTG showed AKQThhdd or KKQQ