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Old 05-15-2017, 11:48 PM   #1
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PLO 10: Top set turn decision

Villain is 47/27/2.8 with 9.8 3! over 180 hands.

Flop feedback?
What do you do on the turn?

[converted_hand][hand_history]WPN, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
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SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $14.16 (141.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $19.91 (199.1 bb)
BTN: $16.45 (164.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K T 7 K
Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.05, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) J K 9 (2 players)
BB bets $2.05, Hero calls $2.05

Turn: ($6.25) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $3.96, Hero ?
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Old 05-16-2017, 04:25 PM   #2
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Re: PLO 10: Top set turn decision

If you call the flop then it's to give up club turns. Still think this is a fine play as you are deeper than 100bb.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:13 PM   #3
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Re: PLO 10: Top set turn decision

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If you call the flop then it's to give up club turns. Still think this is a fine play as you are deeper than 100bb.
Don't implied odds make the turn a call even if he pots it? Thats primarily why I posted this hand. To answer that question.
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Old 05-17-2017, 03:28 AM   #4
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Re: PLO 10: Top set turn decision

This is highly dependant on the player in the BB. Given you block an out (the 7) and he bets more than half of the pot I would make the tight fold. I even think the 7 is the worst card to block since there are a couple of top 2 OTF you are calling, so he will be stacking off on the 7 on the river way more likely than on the K or the J. I guess the 9 he will also stack, but that are just assumptions.
Of course it can't be terrible to call the turn, but there are just a few more reasons for me not to, so I take our 7 blocker as a randomizer to fold to this sizing, whereas I'm tempted to call if we had KKJT.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:37 AM   #5
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Don't implied odds make the turn a call even if he pots it? Thats primarily why I posted this hand. To answer that question.
PSB I doubt it. Half pot certainly. Even if he thin value bets OTR or calls 50 cents or something when you make your FH this is a call. Not to mention his range isn't only the nuts here, so folding is ludicrous. He is a 45/27 after all. They like to bet scare cards. Vs. guys like this we can't really be folding on of the best hands in our range to half pot turn bets imo.

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Old 05-17-2017, 07:55 AM   #6
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:57 AM   #7
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Old 05-17-2017, 09:48 AM   #8
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Re: PLO 10: Top set turn decision

If you would've just said that you prefer calling I would be fine, but those arguments are just not correct. It's not a half pot size bet, neither you have to just win 50c in case you hit (the calculation is not just "if he would've bet 50c less I could've called, so I have to win 50c on the river").
I don't think he likes to bet scare cards, cause they mainly scare him (if he doesn't make a flush). As I've said I don't mind calling here, since our needed implieds are very small. I think we block too much on this board (+ 1 of our own outs) and that's why he should most likely have clubs here. Don't see a lot of other hands that bluff turn after we call flop, or maybe I'm missing sth? Keep in mind that even against the A blocker we have to hit OTR since we plan to fold if we don't improve. Even worse: only difference is that against the blocker we have 0$ implieds.
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If you would've just said that you prefer calling I would be fine, but those arguments are just not correct. It's not a half pot size bet, neither you have to just win 50c in case you hit (the calculation is not just "if he would've bet 50c less I could've called, so I have to win 50c on the river").
I don't think he likes to bet scare cards, cause they mainly scare him (if he doesn't make a flush). As I've said I don't mind calling here, since our needed implieds are very small. I think we block too much on this board (+ 1 of our own outs) and that's why he should most likely have clubs here. Don't see a lot of other hands that bluff turn after we call flop, or maybe I'm missing sth? Keep in mind that even against the A blocker we have to hit OTR since we plan to fold if we don't improve. Even worse: only difference is that against the blocker we have 0$ implieds.
You're misunderstood some of my post. For a half pot bet on the turn (this is 63%) we are getting immediate direct odds to call vs. only flushes and straights. If you think that 1. He will not pay off any future bet when the board pairs and 2. His whole donking 63% pot on the turn range is hands that will never fold to a shove and always beat us then it's a fold.
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Old 05-17-2017, 12:20 PM   #10
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Re: PLO 10: Top set turn decision

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You're misunderstood some of my post. For a half pot bet on the turn (this is 63%) we are getting immediate direct odds to call vs. only flushes and straights.
Nah, you're simply doing the math wrong. We need 25% to have immediate direct odds (pot odds), we have ~20%.
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Nah you're simply reading my post wrong
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:52 AM   #12
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Nah you're simply reading my post wrong
See you said the same thing about your first post but then you doubled down on your error when you tried to clarify. Now you're not even trying.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:34 AM   #13
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Re: PLO 10: Top set turn decision

FWIW if villain is playing ~50% of hands and has a ~10% 3bet, I just 4bet this and shove if he leads flop.

Turn sucks because he has lots of random clubs hands and is almost certainly not folding 6 high flushes.
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