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Old 08-06-2017, 03:15 AM   #1
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[PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

Villain was playing very loose and somewhat aggro, but no maniac.
Preflop and postflop should be standard, right?

Turn: Are there reasons for betting the turn? Imo its not for value / as a bluff. We could bet for protection, but I think he would barrel something like a pair and flushdraw (not sure about this though). There is also a non-zero chance that he is going for a c/r.

River: Is this a call w TPTK and the straight-blocker?


Microgaming - €0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 282.2 BB
BTN: 91 BB (VPIP: 51.26, PFR: 22.69, 3Bet Preflop: 8.24, Hands: 240)
SB: 110.4 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
BB: 394.6 BB (VPIP: 59.82, PFR: 29.45, 3Bet Preflop: 13.84, Hands: 659)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q 2 K

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 14.5 BB, Hero calls 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (44 BB, 3 players) K 6 4
BB bets 22 BB, Hero calls 22 BB, fold

Turn: (88 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (88 BB, 2 players) 9
BB bets 64 BB, Hero ???
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:22 AM   #2
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

I'm a newbie but I told river. Hopefully someone better weighs in but look at the board. It's a lot of 2pr that he can easily have.

Also your hand has some good qualities but the 2 kills a lot of its value. U are playing 3 card poker OOP 300 bb deep
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Old 08-07-2017, 12:32 AM   #3
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

When you are deep vs. BB and he's 3betting ~14% I would just fold this, after we get the 3bet (that happens like 60% of the time) I probably fold and feel like an idiot for opening. K is bad and the off suite 2 is terrible.

Flop seems fine.

Turn is probably a bet/call, only real value hands he'd be repping are KK/TT/KT which you block but he has enough of QJ/987/hh type hands that can be x/r bluffs to get you off whatever you have.

River sucks, QJ/87 are for sure in his range and he probably bluffs flop with all of them. I doubt you have to call this light, and you'll feel owned if he has K9 or something. You could maybe raise river, but you only have a single Q blocker and he should have more str8s in his range than you do.
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Old 08-07-2017, 04:07 PM   #4
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

Yeah, looking at the hand now, river call would be definitely too light. Sometimes we even loose against his bluffs (I folded btw).

I am surprised, you advocate a fold to the threebet pre. I have position on someone who I am 280BB deep with and has a very wide 3betting range. Granted, my hand is not great and if BU calls, I have to worry about him behind me.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:47 PM   #5
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

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Yeah, looking at the hand now, river call would be definitely too light. Sometimes we even loose against his bluffs (I folded btw).

I am surprised, you advocate a fold to the threebet pre. I have position on someone who I am 280BB deep with and has a very wide 3betting range. Granted, my hand is not great and if BU calls, I have to worry about him behind me.
I think the question is, is this a 3 bet hand? Do you want to play a big pot with it? I think a lot depends on the flop, and when you flop 1p no draw, you should be weary of getting yourself in a big pot. Obv the turn was a fold if he bet, and IMO I think he should be betting most of his decent hands, and a reasonable amounts of his bluffs, but he was probably concerned of you trapping.
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:34 PM   #6
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

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I think the question is, is this a 3 bet hand?
I think the question is is this hand an open in the CO and a call against a 14% 3bet range?

Do you want to play a big pot with it?
I think thatīs not something you should focus on.

I think a lot depends on the flop,yep!

and when you flop 1p no draw, you should be weary of getting yourself in a big pot -meh.

Obv the turn was a fold if he bet
I donīt think thatīs an obvious fold. more an obvious call.

, and IMO I think he should be betting most of his decent hands, and a reasonable amounts of his bluffs, but he was probably concerned of you trapping.
who knows, might be true.
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:49 PM   #7
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I am surprised, you advocate a fold to the threebet pre. I have position on someone who I am 280BB deep with and has a very wide 3betting range.
Yes, but given you only ever called how often are you actually going to use those things to your advantage?

Consider the flop, and esp. the turn, then think about how you'd play those 100bb deep.

If the flop is K72r do you raise his Cbet?

For similar reasons the K is esp. bad because it stops him having the 2nd nuts when you have the nuts, and thus. stops your one cooler from happening.

Lots of plays you'll automatically make at even 150bb deep you'll now "play safe" at 300bb, and thus. a huge amount of EV automatically goes to the person betting.
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Old 08-08-2017, 12:50 PM   #8
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Ya I mean just fold preflop. I haven't run it but our hand is likely behind 14%, we block 2nd nut flushes and so the implied odds of our hand is severely reduced, and were gonna have horrible relative position postflop because button isn't folding. Fold>4bet>Call
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:00 PM   #9
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

like a 59/30/14 guy would pay off less with a Qhi flush...

well played, fold river
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Old 08-09-2017, 06:08 AM   #10
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

Aren't the stats totally of and worthless because MGM only saves HHs where Hero VPIPed in?
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Old 08-10-2017, 04:54 AM   #11
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

Turn: I would rather bet/fold then check back
River as played: Fold, I think top pair is just too weak to bluff catcher
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Old 08-12-2017, 03:36 AM   #12
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Aren't the stats totally of and worthless because MGM only saves HHs where Hero VPIPed in?
To be more precise, I think all hands are saved, where hero puts money in the pot. But why would that make villains stats worthless?
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Old 08-12-2017, 07:18 AM   #13
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

I mean, you can probably still get sth out of them but they have a totally different baseline for what a sample is and will be dramatically skewed from what the common understanding of these stats is. Therefore providing them in a forum let alone with any comment about it, I'm pretty sure they hurt the quality of the answers you'll get more than they help.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:09 AM   #14
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

When calling a big 3b from the BB your hand doesn't have the necessary smooth equity distribution with the dangler.

Flop: TP and not much else. Calling in position is OK on this dry board.

Turn: You could've turned your hand into a bluff representing a set of kings and bet when checked too. I mean you did call a 3b after all and smooth called the flop. After getting called not too many players holding AAxx in BB will bet the turn with ragged side cards on this board.

River: If you bet turn fold if he bets or bet if checked too. If you checked turn then fold/check behind.

My two cents

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Old 08-12-2017, 11:06 PM   #15
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

lol folding pf, jesus.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:04 PM   #16
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Re: [PLO 10] 3bet Pot with TP

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Ya I mean just fold preflop. I haven't run it but our hand is likely behind 14%, we block 2nd nut flushes and so the implied odds of our hand is severely reduced, and were gonna have horrible relative position postflop because button isn't folding. Fold>4bet>Call
If you fold this hand to this V, how highs your f3b?

Hands fine, fold river.
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:12 PM   #17
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If you fold this hand to this V, how highs your f3b?

Hands fine, fold river.
At PL10 it doesn't matter. These marginal situations to prevent exploitation are going to lose many many more bbs/100 than they're going to save
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Old 08-15-2017, 07:22 PM   #18
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At PL10 it doesn't matter. These marginal situations to prevent exploitation are going to lose many many more bbs/100 than they're going to save
What's your reasoning?

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Old 08-15-2017, 09:04 PM   #19
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What's your reasoning?
I just gave it Youre not being exploited at 10PL so dont worry about making exploitable folds. Stay out of marginal situations until you gain enough experience to play them profitably

Thats not even mentioning rake: marginal advantages are losing money in high rake environments so just stay out of them as much as you can
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