i wouldnt. if he has a 4 and not filled up he may check behind, if he decided to hero you with AA/KK he will check behind, if he slowplayed TT or 44, you are in a real ****ty spot.

his hand looks like either AA/KK heroing you or a 4, which may easily filled up with the 5, but dont count on that. he might also lay down 45, i would normally against a river c/r.

if you didn't CRAI river you played this wrong on every street but turn

Depends on how you've tagged this player, but gerenerally speaking, a check-call is in order, as I can't see too many worse hands, if any, calling a CR.

BTW, why play the hand at all, even from the big blind? Q788 is a horrible hand OOP, as its the type of 'win small, lose big' type of hands when you hit, and on top of that, you are conceding position in a HU pot.

Having called the raise p/f, what were you thinking of by betting the flop? What was your plan if you got called, and haven't hit the 8 (could turn out costly for you, that two 'outter'). If you want to be fancy, surely a CR on the flop would have defined hands very clearly? The hand would have ended there, as you are basically giving up the pot if he doesn't fold to the CR.

Furthermore, what sort of hand do you think can flat call you on that flop and turn? If he is that good, he might be calling twice to take it away if you show weakness on the river, in which case your CR on the river would serve no purpose as he would surely fold.

The flat calls could also be TT (or even 44, but less likely) setting out a trap for you, in which case your CR has walked right into the trap.

I suppose if he is that much of a donk, he *might* call a CR with something like 45 or 4T/48 (it could have been a button steal raise by the CO preflop), but I cannot see that many people calling an allin CR with 45/48/4T.

Check-calling in this situation is your best move, unless you have any special reads/history with your opponent.

I generally just bet river. I am ok with a CRAI, I think most villains will get attached to 4xx FH's.

Crai river is good.

its all bout how you view him...if hes floaty stabby, u may get 1 bet out of him but hed have to be creative, if him calling flop turn ALWAYS means he has a 4, go ahead hes very likely to bet....that said i wouldnt smash the pot button, somethign call able, the only likely boat in his range is 54.

but if hes likely to call 2 w/ aa/kk hes not likley to bet the river but may call off a bet

all THAT said---fold pre if co is a reg

I agree. I think the hand on the river is too strong not to bet. However, if you made one mistake by checking that doesn't mean you should try to correct it with another by raising something that can't be called by worse.

It can be justifiable to check-raise, but it really depends on your opponent and how he perceives you. If you've been playing this weird and he's a funky dude himself he might tilt off with worse and then this whole hand somehow works in the logic of the weirdplay-world.

But if you did not have this read or the plan to crai, the check on the river is pretty bad. The hand is too strong not to bet and risk missing value from a 4, AA, KK, some other weird two pair from a calling station player.

fold pre, fold flop, turn is wp and river i would def rather just lead for value. As played I would def check raise river.

I wouldn't play the hand to begin with, but if I did, I'd def keep leading on the river. If he's on hardcore hero mode, he might even call you with AA. On the other hand he would certainly check back the aces on the river and maybe even check back a weak 4. Of course, only the hands that beat you would give the check raise any action.

Here's an interesting scenario: Say instead I'm in the villain's seat and get lead into like in this example. Since opponent prob wouldn't lead into the preflop opener with the overfull or quads, if I really wanna be creative, I could make up my mind right then to represent those very hands and float the flop and the turn. On the river I wouldn't care if opponent filled up or not, I would only need him to like his hand enough to lead with it again (most likely his trips or small full house). And when he lead, I would pot it fairly quickly (provided, of course, that he has considerable money left behind.) If I know my player to be solid and capable of laydowns this bluff might have a high success rate. The ironic thing is that it would work best with opponent having a hand strong enough to feel comfortable leading with again on the river, like a small boat or trips with A kicker. If he has weak trips he might decided to check call river.

All this being said, I've never pulled off this bluff. I don't think it would work down in the penny mines.

as played the river is a super easy raise

This, end of thread.

Thanks all.