Hey guys,

what are you thinking about Playing overpairs, is it to to to tight from me, to throw away so much flops.

lol you are 4way here, playing against 12 cards with a bet and a raise in front... even if it was just bet and a call I would still fold, it's very likely at least 1 of them has a ten.

this was more a general question, what are yout think , how to play overpairs. :-)

I'm currently asking myself the same question, as I seem to be calling the flop and turn and then facing a big bet on the river where suddenly my over pair doesn't look too good.

I'm starting to think about how you play them based on SPR.

So in this case where there is only one raise pre-flop and the SPR is 6 on the flop, you are basically set mining. And therefore I would play pretty tight and fold a lot of flops. I might well be folding the best hand on the flop, but it could be very expensive to find this out by the river.

If you 3bet pre-flop and get an SPR of less than 2, then you can play your over pair more aggressively.

But 3betting (or calling a 3bet) depends on the strength of all 4 cards. I wouldn't be 3betting naked Queens like you have in this hand. You will only hit a set about 1/8 times, so 3betting is just burning money with this hand. You need backup from flush draws and wraps, so a hand like QQ9J suited would be a good hand to 3bet.

consider folding pre sometimes if not all the time, it's not going to play well post-flop

In hand in question, 3 bet pre, and fold to a 4 bet.

With any luck that narrows the table.

Bet fold this flop.

Bet call flops where you pick up the flush draw.

DS Queens are a bit weak to take this line and play them like aces, but can do from time to time.

As played where you limp, yes it's a fold.

Generally don't underestimate them - you can pick up loads of value by betting flops and turns against fish trying to hit gutshots etc. When the board pairs the river, you can squeeze a bit more value from top pair hands.

@Maffff
How do we play turn when called?
if we 3bet pre/ bet flop (60%pot is fine?), do we bet again on turn if not K or A, and what sizing?

When called assume he's got trips and just give it up anyway, or make him pay for his slow-play and hit a Q. This board is super dry. I mean if he's got 789 he should be raising to try and fold you out anyway. If he actually calls with something like AK** then well, just make a note.

3 betting pre - I just full pot it nearly always unless there's some dynamic going on against a villain who messes about similarly pre-flop. Really it's just not worth messing around 3-betting less than full. Whole point is when you 3-bet with 89TJds for example you want to rep AA** when the board goes 222. It just goes unconvincing as hell if you 3-bet pre less than full.

If you want to slow it down just delay the c-bet until the turn - for example if the example board is 9TT - you might think meh let's check it back. Turn 2 - I'd fire full pot if the table checks again. If he bets then you have a decision whether to shove if you think he's trying to pinch it or fold if he's nitty. Everything has to be villain specific - we're not bots.

lol QQdss is a great hand

@Maffff thanks!

i never fold pre, but I could be wrong.

fits

I'd say QQxxds is a pretty good hand

yeah what's that about folding QQxxds pre from BTN?

pump that shiet up!

For sure calling QQds on button, can also justify 3betting if MP is loose or a bit deeper?