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12-12-2015 , 01:46 PM

Chen Heiner

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 167

villain 93/0
FCbet: 6/10
stab turn vs PFA check back: 3/6
Agg% F/T/R: 18/29/45
~30 hands at that point

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $70.82 (283.3 bb)
BB: $82.60 (330.4 bb)
UTG: $6.25 (25 bb)
MP: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $62.50 (250 bb)
BTN: $23.89 (95.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

UTG raises to $1.15, MP folds, Hero calls $1.15, BTN folds, SB calls $1.05, BB folds

Flop: ($4) 8

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4) 5

(3 players)
SB bets $3.83, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.83

River: ($11.66) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $11.16, Hero ?

I've attached a bunch of history we've played shortly before over a time span of 15 minutes. The hands occur in the order played.
Having a look at his stats and our history I was expecting a big river follow through almost always. Does that mean I should just fold the turn given the little improvement potential of my hand? He has a 90% VPIP though, quite a bunch of stuff missed and it starts to transpire that he's just auto betting vs flop weakness. Still a disciplined fold? What is roughly your check back/call down range at that point?

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SB: $11.38 (45.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $64.93 (259.7 bb)
MP: $25.84 (103.4 bb)
CO: $58.91 (235.6 bb)
BTN: $84.28 (337.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

MP folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.25) K

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.25) 6

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO raises to $4.80, 3 folds

Results: $3.65 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: K

SB mucked and lost (-$0.30 net)
Hero mucked 4

and lost (-$1.50 net)
CO mucked and won $3.49 ($1.99 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$0.30 net)

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $63.43 (253.7 bb)
BB: $25.79 (103.2 bb)
MP: $60.90 (243.6 bb)
CO: $83.98 (335.9 bb)
BTN: $11.08 (44.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

MP calls $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, BB folds, MP calls $1.25, BTN raises to $2.75, Hero calls $1.25, MP calls $1.25

Flop: ($8.75) T

(3 players)
Hero bets $8.38, MP calls $8.38, BTN folds

Turn: ($25.51) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $18.60, MP folds

Results: $25.51 pot ($1.08 rake)
Final Board: T

Hero mucked 7

and won $24.43 ($13.25 net)
MP mucked and lost (-$11.18 net)

looks kinda suicidal in hindsight but at that point I didn't know he was that fishy and was just playing my blockers/equity

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SB: $50.62 (202.5 bb)
BB: $83.88 (335.5 bb)
MP: $7.98 (31.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $76.38 (305.5 bb)
BTN: $25.19 (100.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4

MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.20, BTN folds, SB calls $1.10, BB folds, MP calls $0.95

Flop: ($4.10) 8

(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.80, SB calls $2.80, MP folds

Turn: ($9.70) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.30, SB calls $7.30

River: ($24.30) T

(2 players)
SB bets $23.27, Hero folds

Results: $24.30 pot ($1.03 rake)
Final Board: 8

SB mucked and won $23.27 ($11.92 net)
Hero mucked 4

and lost (-$11.35 net)

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $64.93 (259.7 bb)
UTG: $25.04 (100.2 bb)
MP: $65.34 (261.4 bb)
CO: $83.25 (333 bb)
BTN: $4.48 (17.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $0.50, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

Flop: ($2.40) T

(4 players)
Hero bets $2.30, MP raises to $9.20, 3 folds

Results: $7.00 pot ($0.30 rake)
Final Board: T

Hero mucked T

and lost (-$2.85 net)
MP mucked and won $6.70 ($3.85 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$0.55 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$0.55 net)

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $24.04 (96.2 bb)
BB: $68.24 (273 bb)
UTG: $82.65 (330.6 bb)
MP: $7.50 (30 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $62.50 (250 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.95, MP calls $0.95

Flop: ($4) 8

(3 players)
BB bets $3.83, 2 folds

Results: $4 pot ($0.17 rake)
Final Board: 8

BB mucked and won $3.83 ($2.58 net)
MP mucked and lost (-$1.25 net)
Hero mucked K

and lost (-$1.25 net)

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12-12-2015 , 02:19 PM

OmahaFanatical4

banned

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 5,123

fold turn

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12-12-2015 , 09:20 PM

.isolated

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21,495

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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4

fold turn

yep. No good rivers for you. You're behind a huge % of the time already.

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12-13-2015 , 04:04 AM

SolarAU

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1,795

Yeah not sure of too many hand combos that can bet turn and river for pot here that we expect to be ahead of. Maybe TTxx on occasion but as mentioned above our hand plays no good on rivers unless we boat up but even then I don't expect to get much more money into the pot.

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12-13-2015 , 10:18 AM

OmahaFanatical4

banned

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 5,123

bet flop

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12-13-2015 , 11:54 AM

Chen Heiner

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 167

seriously, throwing out random one-liners without any sort of elaboration is what I consider quite pointless.

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12-13-2015 , 02:31 PM

NMcNasty

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

No missed flush draws and his sizing doesn't seem to look like blocking with worse. I think its a clear river fold. Turn is a little closer. Folding right away is safer and easier, but if you're confident in your abilities against villain I think you can get away with calling and re-evaluating river.

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12-17-2015 , 01:11 PM

Triantafylidis

adept

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 915

last hand in spoilers, what is reasoning for folding flop? You have bd nfd and lots of turn cards that change the board texture... Seems like a very easy call at the very least

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