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03-02-2016 , 11:27 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05, $0.01 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $37.52 (750.4 bb)
BB: $32.35 (647 bb)
UTG: $29.76 (595.2 bb)
MP: $24.54 (490.8 bb)
CO: $45.17 (903.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $8.90 (178 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 T J A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.23, Hero calls $0.23, SB calls $0.21, BB raises to $1.21, CO calls $0.98, Hero calls $0.98, SB calls $0.98

Flop: ($4.90) 7 K 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4.71, CO folds, Hero ?

Calling to lure the other player is the right move here? If the money is going in on any case, I guess while more players in the pot better for our hand, Am I right?
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03-03-2016 , 12:50 AM
Well it isn't a mistake to give the other players an opportunity to call with worse draws.
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03-03-2016 , 01:40 AM
only 1 other behind, but worth it to get him in as well
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03-03-2016 , 05:53 AM
Another salient detail is the fact that you have no fold equity.
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03-03-2016 , 06:01 AM
I think it really doesn't matter much what button other than fold that you decide to click really. I guess call for the reason you mentioned
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03-03-2016 , 11:46 AM
In these types of situations when I have the nuts or basically the nuts I like to flat to induce the villian to try and iso raise me and when I have something I'm not folding and want to get it I'd iso raise. In this case I like the raise because I think it looks weaker than a flat. We'd be jamming this with much worse with all the dead money trying to iso.
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03-03-2016 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkfangs
In these types of situations when I have the nuts or basically the nuts I like to flat to induce the villian to try and iso raise me and when I have something I'm not folding and want to get it I'd iso raise. In this case I like the raise because I think it looks weaker than a flat. We'd be jamming this with much worse with all the dead money trying to iso.
If so, what if your raise looks weaker? SB will be more willing to get money in the pot if we just call because he will be closing the action.

If we shove, SB will be more afraid to get money in the pot because he will be not closing with the threat of a deep stack with considerable money behind left to act and possibly reshove.

Thinking about BB, It does not matter neither if flatting/raising looks stronger/weaker, he is not going to fold against us in this o any street.

We are not going to fold any street against any player, we have no FE against BB (But we have FE against SB by raising, a FE we really want to avoid lol), and our nutty hand wants the most possible money in the pot, and that's our ultimate goal on this spot.

Last edited by Mindead; 03-03-2016 at 01:56 PM.
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03-03-2016 , 02:24 PM
our shove actually does not open the door
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03-03-2016 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mindead
If so, what if your raise looks weaker? SB will be more willing to get money in the pot if we just call because he will be closing the action.

If we shove, SB will be more afraid to get money in the pot because he will be not closing with the threat of a deep stack with considerable money behind left to act and possibly reshove.

Thinking about BB, It does not matter neither if flatting/raising looks stronger/weaker, he is not going to fold against us in this o any street.

We are not going to fold any street against any player, we have no FE against BB (But we have FE against SB by raising, a FE we really want to avoid lol), and our nutty hand wants the most possible money in the pot, and that's our ultimate goal on this spot.

We have nutted draws but we also have middle pair if we don't have any pairs I like the flat to get more money in. Getting Kxxx and other pair plus draws to fold is going to be good because they will still have a decent amount of equity on us. I'd like to make our 2 pair outs live if possible. I could be wrong on this but I can't do the simulations on everything right now as I am at work. I can run through everything on pokerjuice in 5-6 hours when I get home.

We only need 38% equity to stackoff and we almost have that with our flush draw alone, not going to be any major mistakes unless you fold.
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03-04-2016 , 12:42 AM
yeah I was mostly wrong. We can get people to fold kings but it's actually worse for us. We want more players monies in the pot. It's not particularly close.
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03-04-2016 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mindead
If so, what if your raise looks weaker? SB will be more willing to get money in the pot if we just call because he will be closing the action.

If we shove, SB will be more afraid to get money in the pot because he will be not closing with the threat of a deep stack with considerable money behind left to act and possibly reshove.
As OF said, if we shove and SB calls he WILL be closing the action because our shove is an under-raise.

However, it's possible SB may not realise this and just calling might make him more likely to enter the pot.
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03-04-2016 , 02:12 PM
We would love it if BB folded a king but that's never going to happen.
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