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Old 05-11-2017, 05:15 PM   #1
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Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

I would post this in the quick check thread but I haven't got any responses on my other hands in there for weeks. Sadly I guess it is dead.

Not a lot of hands on villian bc he left the session and came back (Ignition). He was however spewing and potting where ever possible with any four cards and re buying for the minimum. So my strat against him was to limp a decent hand pre (since I knew he was going to end up potting), hit a flop and take his stack. Rinse and repeat. I'm fairly certain CO was playing the same game. However looking back I am wondering if this was a flawed strategy or if I played too loose for future reference in these situations. Thanks all!

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 119.4 BB (VPIP: 52.63, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 19)
BTN: 240.4 BB (VPIP: 35.48, PFR: 22.58, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 32)
SB: 138 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 3.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BB: 26.6 BB (VPIP: 90.63, PFR: 46.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (UTG): 92.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T 3 Q Q

Hero calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 4.4 BB, Hero calls 3.4 BB, CO calls 3.4 BB

Flop: (13.6 BB, 3 players) 3 2 8
BB bets 13.6 BB, Hero calls 13.6 BB, fold

Turn: (40.8 BB, 2 players) 9
BB checks

Should I pot this turn and put him all in or ???

This is just a weird hand for me bc villian could have anything and is basically playing without even looking at his cards

Last edited by CrockPot1027; 05-11-2017 at 05:21 PM. Reason: I know it says bottom pair in the title, obv my bad
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:37 AM   #2
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

Pot it.
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Old 05-12-2017, 01:42 AM   #3
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

yeh i would put him all in on the turn. On the flop I think you are already quite far ahead of his range so i would pot it there as well and wouldn't be too bothered about the other player.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:13 AM   #4
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

I would contemplate folding this hand preflop UTG in a loose game like this


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Old 05-12-2017, 08:18 PM   #5
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

fold pre the first time
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Old 05-13-2017, 07:21 PM   #6
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

Fold pre
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Old 05-15-2017, 03:52 AM   #7
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

It is very solid to fold pre but I find myself 2.5xing this just to widen my percieved range and because it has broadway, double gap connector with flush draw, and the almighty set.

I don't mind limping seeing those BB stats, just hit a flop and you probably stack him. unless you have seen him to actually be on a heater of good hands. BB hasn't 3b yet though which makes his range there interesting.

Flop he is so short that you just put him all in however there needs to be a failsafe vs CO positionly ambushing you with the A or K FD+,and he has some 8*** hands there , so potting is somewhat insane but I don't see any harm in raising it to make your turn shove more 'powerful'/simplified.
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Old 05-15-2017, 06:00 AM   #8
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

Why fold this first in? Is it just because of this awkward stack leverage situation where deepstacks behind are likely to come along with big hands so that we can't isolate flop vs BB? If that's the case, can't we try to exploitatively open this pre to discourage calls by deepstacks and then isolate the BB who is going to repop any4?
Are bad KK good enough to limp/shove pre then even with CO behind?
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Old 05-15-2017, 08:26 AM   #9
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

With 9bb effective, discussion is meaningless. Don't limp and don't call the pfr either.
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:37 AM   #10
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

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With 9bb effective, discussion is meaningless. Don't limp and don't call the pfr either.
So what's the move if there's more than 9?

Novel concept, let's use our imaginations lol
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Old 05-15-2017, 12:18 PM   #11
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

Imagining an ideal scenario in a spot with an indefinite set of variables is quite a task. This will never be a slam dunk, fist pump get it in, but actions could vary from bet/folding 15-25bb, checking behind, maybe b/c in some spots but it's the least likely of the 3 options.
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Old 05-15-2017, 02:37 PM   #12
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Imagining an ideal scenario in a spot with an indefinite set of variables is quite a task. This will never be a slam dunk, fist pump get it in, but actions could vary from bet/folding 15-25bb, checking behind, maybe b/c in some spots but it's the least likely of the 3 options.
I see, very interesting. I only ask because these type of very unusual situations come up quite often in my experience trying to learn this game. Usually I find myself in an obvious get it in scenario or a wtf type situation. The latter being from my lack of experience.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:40 AM   #13
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Re: Over Pair, Flush Draw, bottom pair, and Backdoor Quad Draw against the world? PLO5

^ I can appreciate that, and it's not uncommon. Work on your game by watching videos, playing and posting more hands for review and you'll find that these uncomfortable/new situations become fewer.

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