Loose 1/2/5 live PLO game. Stacks are fairly shallow w the average at $300. The game has been bad all night but I am direct to the left of a big gamble fish and it seems like there are 2 donkey call anything fish behind me.

I am card dead and trying to make things happen. I recently adapted a min raise open and think it might be correct but I am still testing this theory.

Utg limps (gamble fish) and I make it $10 w ac9cksjd and we get 6 callers back to tug fish who pots for $75. W all the action behind, I fold. This similar play happened a few other times. But we get 3 callers behind. I am trying not to play bigger pots oop so folding seems to be the best option.

What do you guys think?

Dude I can't with words describe how hilarious it is that UTG limps and you somehow somewhere has came up with the idea that it's a good idea to minraise him from UTG+1 with a hand you're planning to fold to further pre-flop action.

hm I fold there too after he limpraised.
potting pre after fish limps tho, you wanna isolate him and hope to not get to much callers

If UTG is a gambling 'fish', then why are we folding? And if we are folding to a limp-raise, than why are we min-raising?

A suited ace with two boardways and a nine plays well, whether multiways or HU, so why are we using the fear of further calls from behind as a justification for the fold?

And if we really don't want to play bloated pots OOP multiways, even with a near premium hand, than why the min-raise, which encourges loose calls from behind, rather than a pot raise to isolate the gambing fish?

I am confused by your logic.

Calling is the least you can do against what you described as a gambling fish, and 4 betting to isolate all dayu long as you have both the A and the K blockers, against a player that ought to have a very wide limp-raise range/calling 4 bet range according to your description.

Of course, you might be trapped by bad aces further behind...but in the unlikely case that you are, you can still suck out....

I would usually limp this had being UTG2 but I am trying to min raise instead of limping. I dont mind callers behind me @ a min raise. But were talking a difference of my min raising to $10 or potting to $20 so its not a huge difference. If someone is calling 5, they are calling 10, and they are calling 20. There is no question in my mind. So why min raise? We semi-pot build (doesnt matter) with a good hand, we see the strength of hands that now will be 3 betting, but mostly, we discourage 3 betting because that rarely happens.

Those are my reasons for min raising. Again 10 vs 20 (pot) isnt a big deal. In cases like this, I can save $10 when I fold.


Now to why do I fold? I can min raise, get callers (6x) and UTG pots. Now I can call (not the greatest idea being OOP the whole hand), I can fold (better than calling), raise (potting to ISO might be the best play here). Looking back, I wasnt considering repotting much this game but thats due to me basically folding every hand. My real options were call or fold and fold made more sense.

This is plo. There is a lot of limping and over calling. Bloating the pot when the game has a straddle already makes no sense. If people are calling as often as you think, the flops will be very hard for us to bluff at and our hand will become very transparent. If everyone is calling for $5 or $10 like you say, then what is the point of bloating the pot so someone can come over us for a bigger raise or reraise and then we fold?

I stated 2 main reasons and why I am trying to min raise vs limp. A min raise shows some strength vs a limp. But the main reason is that I make people question 3 betting preflop. Players in small stakes PLO only 3 bet aa or strong kk hands vs a raise. I can narrow down some strength ranges with this kin raise.

Now I am not saying it's the right play but I am trying it out.

In this hand I fold and 3 people call. Utg had aa72 and lost vs 789j.

So you lit ten dollars on fire, nice.

+1 billion lolz

There is so much wrong with this line. How are you ever folding to loose fish who is looking to gamble/ steal a pot that you built by min raising and getting 6 callers? 3 bet gii vs fish is you get 4bet from one of the limpers behind then consider folding a 4 bet from one of the later limpers will pretty much always be aaxx if game is tight like you described it. It's pretty unlikely that anyone except the fish will be flatting your 3 bet. as played I think this is really bad.

The only time I am getting 3 bet here is a super strong hand. I am usually folding to 3 bets when I raise without AA type hands. I get 3 bet less than 5% of the time.

you can't be serious. is this thread a level?

Calling.

So you only play aces to 3 bets that is not a great strategy

I'm basically saying that the only hands that 3 bet in this lineup are aaxx.

Now I am really confused. I thought you said the UTG was a 'gamble fish', but now he only 3-bets with aces?

Utg would be the only one to gamble at this table. Utg limps and I raise, now someone behind will have to have a monster to 3 bet me. They may call but will never 3 bet wo aaxx.

In this hand, they just call and utg pots. He can have a lot of hands here for sure. But I thought my only option was to repot or fold and calling was very bad. If I call, we can assume others will call and we are now oop w an spr of less than 1. That didn't seem like a great option. Also, if we call, utg is shoving any flop.

I probably should have repotted it.

How deep are you with UTG?

I think folding is by far the worst option here. You dominate a lot of the hands behind you and position really doesn't matter here since the SPR is so low. You either hit the flop or you don't.