lol

he's right though, you troll a ****load, little hypocritical from you, dont you think?

one-liners on this forum is not equal to berating/inadvertent teaching on the poker tables.

thats true, but trolling here and playing police on pokerstars doesnt fit either imo.

i disagree

dude I play 18 tables at a time do u think I have time to start berating a reg after I win a pot , get a clue.

i was at the table sir

emphasis on the "start". and it's not because u see a "nice hand ******" after I win on a table that nothing have been said already on the other ones. Seriously why don't u just shut up and mind ur own business ? I don't understand why u haven't been banned yet. All you do is a pissing contest where u are the only player involved.

drama drama drama

Tilt much? What the **** do you care, just let them hate

keep hatin guys.

I am getting real tired of the recurring good day, bad day thats going on with me. i may have to not play plo after good days

OK first of all, don't sit there and pretend like you know what it's like to run 100+ buy ins below equity. I never said I went on a downswing, in fact I clearly stated that I was up, and the graph shows that. I handle downswings just fine.

When you run that bad in all ins for several hundred thousand hands it is an absolutely disgusting and helpless feeling. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. There is only one other person that I've ever heard of running more than 100 buy ins below equity, I was -140 at the worst point. Very few players are capable of surviving something like this. The only way you can when you need money for living expenses, is if you have a big roll to begin with and a huge edge in the games. Someone like yourself for instance, who doesn't even have a big enough roll to buy in full to the 1/2 games lately, and who barely beats the games to begin with, would go broke 1,000 times before they were able to get to 100 buy ins below equity.

Honestly I am glad it happened now, because it made me work harder than I ever have to improve, and as the result of this I will make a lot more money over the next few years than I would have if I was winning and got complacent.

I am actually a very calm person, I never really do anything violent or destructive in life. Patrik Antonius has stated in several interviews that he has broken lots of computer equipment and destroyed things while playing online. I guess he is a destructive emo tool also.

The bottom line is that you are very immature person and mediocre poker player, and you are grasping at straws when trying to say something negative about me. I made a detailed post stating nothing but verifiable facts about you, and you respond with immature name calling based on something that doesn't even really reflect negatively on me. By doing so you have done nothing but back up everything I said about you.

Final proof of everything I have said is a hand we played a hand the other day. You lost a 100bb's to me on a hand in which I 3bet AA pre and the money went in on the flop at around 48/52% equity. You responded by sarcastically saying really well played. I actually played the hand perfectly and there is not a single good high stakes player who would disagree, it was a 3 bet pot and actually a no brainer to get it in on the flop when you raised. Really pathetic that you would take the time to type something like that into the chat box when the person is a good player and played the hand perfectly. Your comment shows that you are still the same immature person who can't handle losing a pot that you have always been. Maybe you should spend more time thinking about what is going on at the tables, since you have been losing so much lately and couldn't even buy in full last time I played with you.

This is the last thing I am going to write about wintermag and this whole situation. The only reason I said anything to begin with, is because of how horrible this guys attitude has been the past 3 years. I have said everything that needs to be said, and if anyone reads our posts objectively the truth about him will be very obvious. You will probably respond with some more immature name calling or something, but I could care less. Enjoy the rest of your poker career in mediocrity, and please feel good about yourself as a person in the future when you berate other players and whine about losing small pots.

Now that thats over I will be happy to talk about omaha, pokerstars, supernova elite quest or anything else that anyone wants to.

I said this is every plo hand, the only thing that's filtered out are all of the random hands of holdem and Om8.

Yah Xr8ed can get a little annoying. It's like he has realized he is not a good poker player and has decided to berate anyone who is, because he cannot except that some people have become good players while he hasn't

lol yea people always ask me why I haven't moved up. you get a little gun shy when you lose every pot thats all in before the river.

maybe my 2/4 luck is changing though, this is the session I played immediately following posting those results the other day.

Dude, have you seen this thread?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...-1-2-a-607844/

You gotta understand something and I'm telling you this with my best regards - no one gives a **** about how bad you're running, and by saying no one I mean exactly 0 (zero) human beings. Just because you don't know or haven't heard or didn't understand that someone had run worse than you it doesn't mean that it didn't happen, it sure did and it's probably happening at this very moment. The best you can get out of here is vent it out, share with someone who understands what the nature of the game is and get a little fake simpathy. After that you gotta pull yourself together and grind it through, otherwise you're not for this business. No need for long debates, you surely ran worse than most people, but you knew this could be part of the deal when you signed for it, right?

EDIT: Ooops, I mistook you for someone else who bitched a lot today about being under EV and after reading your prolong post I understood it was a troll at WinterMag, so I'm handing my appologies to you Nevertheless, my words are piece of wisdom

i wanna see grudge prop bets

imagine your winrates if u guys turned chat off

i did that. asked stars to block my chat forever)

Chat is so much +EV if you know how to use it, recognize + induce tilt FTW

yeah I have it on most of the time but there's really no upside to it. I can tilt pretty easily and there's no reason to let every1 know. also arguing is always pointless, and it's probably very +EV to have to have chat disabled

its def +EV for me to chat

Well if you wrote that post with the intent of being helpful that is cool, but did you even read my entire post, or the original comments from wintermag that I was responding to? It kinda seems like you are just another person taking up for wintermag because he is part of the little clique that posts on here every day, because if you had actually read my last two posts in their entirety you would not have had any reason to make any of these comments.

I made that original post several months ago, and only made it because I had never put in large volume playing plo before and I was wanting to know how common this is. Yes I did vent a little bit, but who wouldn't. I absolutely never said it hasn't happened and wasn't happening to someone right now. I even went into detail about what it takes for players to survive when this happens. I obviously would not have done that if I thought it hasn't happened to someone else.

Telling me I need to pull myself together and grind through? Again did you even read my post? I clearly stated that I worked harder than I ever had to grind through it, and that I am happy it happened because it has made me a much better player today. I have played over 2 million hands online and believe me I know what normal variance is. I never expected to run 100 buy ins below equity when I "signed up for it", but then again for most of my career I only played NL where this sort of thing is practically unheard of. I actually handled it really well by working really hard every day on my game, and playing lower stakes than I normally would. I also have always made sure I have plenty of extra money in case I run really bad for a long time. If you had read my previous two posts you would know all of this.

I am tired of all the negativity and having to defend myself. I have not done or said anything out of line. The only thing negative things I said were about wintermag and I said them for good reasons, and backed up everything with facts. For those of you who have said nice or positive things I appreciate it. I don't enjoy making these long posts full of negativety, however I do feel the need to defend myself, even though I probably shouldn't. I would really like to only have to address positive or neutral subjects in the future.

OK, my edit was half an hour ahead of your answer, refresh more before posting long ones