well, these graphs are just 1 part of the grand scheme of things. it doesnt include value that you get on the turn or river, and it doesnt include how much you win/lose before showdown.

however it's 1 piece to the puzzle of answering "omg how good/bad do i run!?"

This thread took a turn for the awesome.
Except for anyone saying they are 'loosing', wtf

I'm continually amazed at the number of people who are conflating 'all-in ev' with 'expectation'. Anyone can get all-in with good equity, it's the pots that don't get all-in that really determine our expectation.

You need to stfu and get off my case, if you'd run as bad as I'd done you'd excuse my behaviour, blahblah

some epic catfighting in this thread - should have looked in here before now.

Havnt played online since prolly May due to vacation and work commitments. hoping to ramp up between now and Jan tho and played my first short session last night on STARS.

I humbly accepted this this hand as a welcome back gesture

$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG nuts23457 ($688.60)
UTG+1 joeyjoejr ($200)
CO Hero ($224)
BTN Stoweski ($209.10)
SB bigpa37 ($79.85)
BB zigozago ($58.40)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO A A 3 9
nuts23457 raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, Stoweski raises to $31, 2 folds, nuts23457 calls $24, Hero raises to $127, Stoweski calls $96, nuts23457 calls $96

Flop: J J Q ($384, 3 players)
nuts23457 bets $98, Hero goes all-in $97, Stoweski goes all-in $82.10

Turn: 4 ($661.10, 3 players, 2 all-in)

River: A ($661.10, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $661.10
Hero shows a full house, Aces full of Jacks
A A 3 9
Stoweski shows a straight, Ten to Ace
K 9 8 10
nuts23457 shows a straight, Ten to Ace
Q K 10 9

Hero wins $657.10 (net +$433.10)

nuts23457 collects $1 (net -$224)
Stoweski lost $209.10

Poasting that wintermag likes rimming men.

What kinda winrates are possible on stars shortstacking out of curiousity? And btw i don't hate shortstackers at all bro. It's quite ridiculous all the hate you guys get.

No, no it isnt.

Wanted to say...

...that, immediately after I read your non-sense.

I'm all for whatever wins the $. Obviously 98% of 2+2er's don't know how to play a ss so they hate it. Sucks for them...

the two are essentially the same. one takes non-allin-before-river hands (which the software treats as Ev-neutral) + allin-before-river hands, and the other isolates all-in before river hands only. and the difference between expected winnings and actual winnings will be the same on both graphs so neither can be considered "a better indicator of luck".

my graph would look pretty good too if i filtered out all hands in which i folded

wat? can't tell whats a level and what isnt these days.

cool thread btw

thx for posting this clayton, and fu to whoever said i couldnt read graphs!

even shortstackers hate shortstackers

btw clayton 25/50 shot at hand 550?

2-3bb/100

if all tables were 50bb im pretty sure my winrate would double or triple

im running at like 15bb/100 over my last 20k hands.
and im not running over EV.

/brag

LOL'd so hard a drop of pee came out.

How do you know?

wheeeeeeeee

ive made props with my roomie though on us sticking to our normal lower games. i took way too many shots at higher games that month.

You all suck.

Unfortunately, so do I.

Wazz - question for you.

Do you not like playing against me. Not sure if it's just coincidental but you always seem to leave when I join a table.

rSmig - same question to you, although you don't leave quite as quick.

if DarkColt123 is on this forum, you can do ***** with your no warning quitting HU and ****ing intellipoker avatar

edit: also AbenniteA, but of course they dont come on these forums, ****ing monkeys hit n running with their full roll on the table, go die

hey stevie i saw u today at hoplo100.

afaik i was shortstacking it? when i saw some rando sitting with like 37.xx, decided to join him for a little gamble, figured it was all that was left of his $50 deposit or sth

yeah u was shortstacking. btw mannimo is a reg, idk is he good or not but i dont play with him. i think i saw him with you at the table. maybe im wrong.