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Originally Posted by SeaKing
Zoom is ****ing stupid, it always has been, glad to see people are finally waking up this fact close to a decade after I had said as much. I'm also glad that there are players who always saw thing as they were like urubu.
I am going to counter the praise you just gave to urubu with regards to fighting fast forward poker.
Of all the poker sites throughout the years, Pokerstars has been head and shoulders above every other site when it has come to player input. So when Pokerstars came out with their version of the fast forward game created by Full Tilt Poker (Rush), there was a window for players to have a lot of input in how it was run on PS. Like I said, the game had already been created on FTP and was wildly popular. You were NOT going to un-ring the bell of fast forward poker, but you could say how it was run, especially on PS. And lets be accurate, right from the start instead of calling it fast "forward" poker, people were calling it fast "fold" poker. There is no way in hell a fast fold game should be short/regular, it should have been set up as a deep ante game.
I was here back then trying to get Zoom set up as deep ante, but urubu was derailing the thread with the word "no". That is essentially all he said. Maybe his english was a lot worse back then, but urubu derailed the thread with "no Zoom", "no", and "no, no, no". I don't know if I can find the posts from 10 years ago, but I was proposing that regular tables be set up as they currently were, but that this new Zoom game be set up as deep ante. and with ante large enough that if you folded too much in this fast "fold" game you would be making a mistake. And the high enough antes that you needed to play was also a smart way to keep the win rates high. A skilled player would benefit if the other players were folding too much and the skilled player would benefit it people played a lot of hands because players play like crap post-flop.
Any time I see someone complain about Zoom players (even fish) folding too much, I cringe and think back to when I was busting my butt to get the game played with antes large enough to fight for, but urubu was derailing the thread with "no." Any time someone complains about the low win rates at Zoom, I cringe and think about when I was trying to not only get it played with antes, but also played deep so that it would be possible to get a half decent win rate, but urubu was derailing the thread with "no no no." I was being pragmatic and trying to set Zoom up to be a different game and going for the win-win, I was trying to make Zoom so different from regular tables as to make either version be a high win rate game. That was ten years ago or whenever. People forget that stuff we take for granted now was new then. Auto rebuy and auto top up were new-ish, the idea of ante and deep games were new-ish. All of these new features could have been put together into a good Zoom game. Imagine a Zoom game that was deep and ante a-n-d had a forced top up so that every single hand from every single players was played deep stacked. That is what I was working on back then. Urubu was just derailing the thread with "no". Last time I checked how negotiating worked, just saying "no" without offering up alternates doesn't usually work out very well.
Zoom could have been a totally different game than what it is now.
Last edited by ladybruin; 02-10-2020 at 12:20 PM.