hey guys, another holdem convert trying to learn PLO and losing heavily while doing so.
using a mac so only option is PT3, no omaha manager
anything in particular stick out here? it looks like fold to 3bet is way to high, but i think this is because PT3 calculates it wrong- when i filter for "raise first in" my fold to 3bet goes down to 21%- i think this seems about right?

Almost everything is PLO25 Rush. I know this is not that many hands, but I am losing a lot so far and just wanted to know what I can do PF and postflop in general to get better.

Losses not included cause of huge embarrassment

Second month playing PLO. Last month i was somehow in +, because of rakeback. Feel like running bad since the middle of last month, but i probably just suck. Please help.



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gonna need a bit more stats than that....vpip and pfr per position look good to me tho.

can't anything that would really pop up....you can be a bit tighter from SB and 3bet less from the blinds. maybe you can loosen up a bit from CO and BTN.

also, the sample size is rather small, only about ~5k hands. might be just bad luck that you are experiencing.

k, here's my 5PLO sample stats. Not very happy with the blinds VPIP (working on reducing it) and my play overall, so I'll continue to work on the leaks. Anyhow additional input is appreciated.



also probably bluffing too much from the BTN, which is dragging down W$SD..

Looks pretty sexy, IMO. Move up.

Thanks Leroy, it shouldn't be long before I do.

For small stakes players looking for advice on their stats; if you even possess the awareness to ask I doubt anyone will find any glaring holes in your fundamental stats. The game ultimately comes down to understanding what the most profitable action is in each spot, which board textures to attack vs which player types etc. That's a very poor and limited explanation on my behalf, but basically, if you want to become a massive winner it won't happen because you upped your 3-bet % by 2% or decreased your flop c-bet % by 5%... Many different statistical styles can be successful when incorporated correctly into an overall game plan. Most of poker is adjusting too, your stats should be dictated by the way your opponents are playing, not by some pre-determined numbers considered optimal (your opponents aren't playing optimally; no one does).

End of long-winded rant.

p.s. Stop worrying about your red line. I always lose a ton in non-showdown pots, within reason it's just not an issue. I would guess my winrate over my last 250k hands of poker would be around 7ptbb / 100, and I've never had anything close to a break-even red line.

To lend my comments some credibility, my most recent results:

trying to plug my leaks and was looking at my fold to c/r stats...on flop it's 52% and on turn 66%.
how does that look like?

At the start of this year I was a nit and I had some pretty big leaks. Here is the last month, I still feel I am missing something. This is almost all at 1/2.

By Position


Overall, players=6

PLO noob hoping to get some feedback on my first 10k hands of PLO25 (beat). Looking to patch up anything that looks out of place. I have a feeling my SB vpip is probably slightly high, and my BB fold to steal is prob too low, and I'm working on that, but anything else you guys notice I'd appreciate the feedback








Here's the thing I find weird: my non-showdown winnings are MUCH higher than my showdown winnings and account for nearly all my profit. Is this just variance/small samplesize? I put it down to the fact that I tend to try to take down lots of pots in position when it seems like nobody is really interested, or bluffing on scarecards vs very abc players. Thoughts?

Some more details for my stats. Can't imagine being a 15bb/100 loser First 5k hands are PLO25 the last 3.5k hands are PLO10.







Seems like I'm losing a lot too much in non-sd pots. And even SD pots are kind of bad.

Looks like people aren't getting the discussion referred to in the OP.

I have been learning plo over the last 6 months - a year. i know i am making a **** ton of mistakes & I really need some help here in what I can do to improve my game. Please take a look at my stats & whatever leaks/insight any of you who are successful in this game could provide would be very much appreciated. I am a total hem noob btw so keep that in mind. Here are my my stats/graph for all of the plo 6max I have played. This is all playing 6-12 tables a time. (I know my 3bet is insanely low & I should also play less tables other than that i am in the dark as for what to do to improve) Thanks 4 the help guys

Awrimas - Maybe open up more IP and work on your W$SD %? Your lower vpip + high aggression seems like it's putting you in awkward spots post flop that could be leading to big mistakes.

lol i been looking for this thread didnt notice it was a sticky now

1st is from the sb
2nd is from bb

if there any other stats ud like to see or know plz let me know

Yeah, I think a lot of it is the variety of styles that can be successful make ti so that telling one particular person they're doing A, B, and C wrong is hard. It's probably only going to be for way out there stuff (i.e. your WTSD is 55? - yeah, that's too high).

Fair enough

Still looking for ideas as to why there's such a freaky difference between my showdown and non-showdown winnings though!

Can't see your pics at work, but it's probably what you say. Aggression post makes people fold -> NSD up. Sometimes they have it and you get called -> SD down.

Hello,

I´ve been playing at micros for a year now, but due to cashouts I never move up. Now I´m starting to take plo more seriously and I rebuild at euro sites from plo4. Please look at my stats and tell me, if something bad sticking out. First 16k are hands from plo4, rest is plo10 + few shots to plo20. Thank you very much for any comment.



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The most glaring leak I can see is SB losses. This is your worst position. I don't play 6-max PLO, (I'm @ FR PLO) but maybe you should treat SB as fold everything except top of your range. And when you do get dealt that juicy AAKJds then 3bet the hell out of it, don't 3 bet too light though......

Your opponents HUDs will say that you are bad from SB up until now, they will want to see a flop against you.........make the adjustment and make some money.

EDIT: Maybe drop down to PLO25 and play your next 5K hands there to compare.

Hi, I have been playing 10PLO-6max for a month and would like to seek your opinions to further improve my play.

Two areas that I am worring about:
1. is my 3bet% too low?
2. I think my postflop play have urgent needs to be improved as my redline is still negative. Although I try to play more when I was IP but is there are other point that I missed?

All comments are welcome.