**The Official SSPLO Stats Thread**

[LetMeTiltU]

Originally Posted by yrmom

Get looser IP, you probably want to be 3betting double digits on the button and I'm guessing you're not attempting to steal nearly enough from the BTN PFR.

Get WAY more aggro pre and post. Even over only 40k hands, you NEVER EVER want a W$WSF lower than 40 (good to aim for 42-45 in 6max). Fight for pots. Cbet 60-75%, double barrel a good amount (You seem to, but that might only be a product of your insanely low cbet%).

Hi guys, I have a question about your comment.

I have c-bet 75 / T c-bet 48, turn c-bet might be too low, but if I consider that ppl usually dont give up, once they call flop...?

And do you think it is possible to have like double digit 3bet BTN against all those nits at zoom, who mostly limp, raise only top combinations?

[thepizzlefosho]

ok guys need some serious help. I won over half a million playing NLHE between 2008 and BF. sick of the game and decided to try PLO. clearly I suck. any and all comments appreciated.


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[Toll]

Originally Posted by LVKDragon1991

Hi, I'm very new to PLO and have played around 10.4k hands so far of PLO2 zoom. I noticed a strange anomaly in my position stats - I'm winning way more UTG than anywhere else. I feel like this means I must be losing money overall on my preflop flatcalls in other positions. Am i flatting way too much or just playing badly postflop after i flat? Thanks.

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Way too small sample. You're obviously running hot in UTG. Unless you have a really unorthodox approach of playing more hands OOP, you can even see it on the VPIP/PFR, you've been dealt good hands in UTG.

[yrmom]

Originally Posted by thepizzlefosho

ok guys need some serious help. I won over half a million playing NLHE between 2008 and BF. sick of the game and decided to try PLO. clearly I suck. any and all comments appreciated.


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First of all, change your attitude; being negative like that you'll never get anywhere.

Secondly, the stats. First off, 50k hands isn't actually a lot in PLO. The variance is that sick unless you are crushing. Moreover your stats don't have gaping holes in them, so be happy about that.

Also, you probably want to filter out HU hands, since if your SB VPIP is that high then you have serious problems. In addition to that, you are probably defending the BB a bit too much and the SB a bit too little, since you should defend the SB 10-15% less than the BB in ring games.

I can see right off that your redline is really sub par, but that might be the product of the first 20k hands where you seemed to get crushed in that respect.

It's weird since your W$WSF is actually satisfactory; which probably means that you win all the small pots on the flop and/or turn and get crushed on the river. This in conjuncture with your somewhat high W$SD leads me to guess that you put money in on earlier streets to fold later streets a lot and/or that you don't try to pick up pots or bluff on the river a lot either.

You want to be 3betting double digits IP. You're 3betting as much IP as Oop right now. That's terrible.

PM me if you want to know anything more.

[thepizzlefosho]

Originally Posted by yrmom

First of all, change your attitude; being negative like that you'll never get anywhere.

Secondly, the stats. First off, 50k hands isn't actually a lot in PLO. The variance is that sick unless you are crushing. Moreover your stats don't have gaping holes in them, so be happy about that.

Also, you probably want to filter out HU hands, since if your SB VPIP is that high then you have serious problems. In addition to that, you are probably defending the BB a bit too much and the SB a bit too little, since you should defend the SB 10-15% less than the BB in ring games.

I can see right off that your redline is really sub par, but that might be the product of the first 20k hands where you seemed to get crushed in that respect.

It's weird since your W$WSF is actually satisfactory; which probably means that you win all the small pots on the flop and/or turn and get crushed on the river. This in conjuncture with your somewhat high W$SD leads me to guess that you put money in on earlier streets to fold later streets a lot and/or that you don't try to pick up pots or bluff on the river a lot either.

You want to be 3betting double digits IP. You're 3betting as much IP as Oop right now. That's terrible.

PM me if you want to know anything more.

this is all great stuff and much appreciated. will PM next week when I get back from a little weekend trip. FWIW my attitude is more of a function of trying to be humble and encouraging posters to be brutally honest with me in order to get the best advice. I think that I have the capability to be good at the game, but I still have a ton to figure out.

fwiw I do think that my redline is a huge leak, and I am either picking bad spots to bluff the river or being too speculative in my pre/flop/turn calls leading to lots of spots where I have weak hands or draws on the turn/river. I also think I struggle with matching board textures to ranges in order to know what boards to attack and what to not too. there are a lot of differences in what is a "dry" board in in NL vs PLO. I'm still sometimes making moves on boards where I think people's ranges would be weak when in reality they're often going to have pair+wrap type hands that can get it in against anything and have good equity.

anyway that was rambling but I really appreciate the advice and response. I haven't spent much time trying to learn a new game in 4 years since I went from playing LHE to NLHE full time and I'm excited about the possibilities despite my current struggles.

[sukra]

hi!

i know i have not that much hands, but really would like to hear ur opinions abou my stats. obviously i play too much from the blinds but what about my vpip/ pfr/ 3bet in general? the games are pretty nitty and i think i have an edge about these players postflop.

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tx for ur help

[sukra]

found some more hands....

i think the tendency is the same. i defend too much from the blinds and 3 bet too less...

[ULOST2AKID]

^^46% in the sb is way too much and 3b of only 3.4 is way to low. To give you an idea AAxx hands comprise 2% of total hands.

[IEatDFish]

Originally Posted by IEatDFish

Trying to learn PLO SH, and am currently playing PLO10 on ongame. I'm doing my best to study PLO from scratch, and a mix of vids, but its early days as you can see from my volume. I want to quash my preflop bad habits ASAP, so pointing out any glaring mistakes would be great. I'm aware I'm opening/limping much too often in SB and UTG, and am actively working on those as we speak.

So this was me back in march. I'm back, armed with a bit more experience having moved up to PLO20, things are going reasonably well., thanks to viewing stuff, and a bit of reading and chatting on skype. Thoughts?

Latest stats as of 15/05/2012.


I'm very aware that my turn cbet is on the high side, and am considering toning this down somewhat. It feels like my aggession on this street is probably a bit too blind, considering the majority of pots I elect to play are versus bad opponents. I suppose check calling more frequently is going to make sense to keep villains range wide and weak?

Currently I don't really have a checkraising range. Is this a leak?

I'm kinda annoyed with the loss i'm making in the smallblind although It has improved a lil bit. Are there any big indepth threads/resources about SB play that you would suggest?

[SlimyF]

Stats seems fine for micros.

You're cbet is quite low from EP/MP, from where you open with your strongest range, but that might be just because there will be 82 callers on every flop at plo10. Your turn cbet is high because your flop cbet is low --> you have a stronger range ott.

If you don't have a c/r range it's definitely a leak, but it's also a stype-depended. I personally have quite small (not necessarily tight) donking range, but very wide c/r range. I still would suggest you to try spot some good c/r opportunities. There's a lot of fe and pure value there.

Losing that much from small blind might be just an statistical error because of small sample.

Next time when you check your own stats you prob should check how often you fold to a cbet otf/ott in different kind of spots (how many players/position) and try to figure out do you do something not as good as you could be..

[omgcards]

These hands are mostly PLO25, with some PLO10 and shots at PLO50 (where I run terribly, hence $ being below EV while bb/100 is above EV).

So I guess an obvious leak is being way too loose from the BB. Anything else obvious? I'm not sure why my W$atSD is so much higher on the BTN than any other position. Maybe I'm not value betting enough from other positions?

[omgcards]

Those stats should have been



The first ones included some holdem hands... :/

[plaaynde]

I'm at about 10k hands in PLO2 six-max, mostly zoom. Getting some clues, but I would like to ask: which of these stats are the most messed up? Thanks!

[plaaynde]

Sry, timed out, had some technical problems, here are some more stats, positional ones. How do they look? Thanks!

[Salats]

Originally Posted by plaaynde

Sry, timed out, had some technical problems, here are some more stats, positional ones. How do they look? Thanks!

I'm completely new to omaha too but 19VPIP on BTN? You probably have to play way looser from LP as to blind VPIP will see what some pros have to say.