**The Official SSPLO Stats Thread**

[Leroy2DaBeroy]

SSPLO Session Reviews seem to be a hit so let's see if we can introduce something else. FWIW, I'm less sure this will be successful, but I guess we'll see how it goes.

Stats are tricky things and from what I've gathered during my time in SSPLO, there are a variety of different styles that can be successful. That said, experienced players are likely to see things in another player's stats that they may not have considered or even be aware of.

As this thread grows, posting stats may not even be necessary. It may be possible to identify trends in comments on others stats that are applicable to your own game.

Notes to anyone wanting to post their stats:

1. Be sure to make sure you have AT LEAST 10K hands in your stats. Posting screenshots of PT3/HEM is highly recommended. Try and include whatever you feel necessary...look at previous posts in this thread as a guide. It is expected that you read this BEFORE you post any stats in this thread.
2. Ideally each post will get their own 15 minutes of fame in this thread so to keep this thread readable, if someone else just posted their stats, then consider waiting for the discussion of their stats to die down so that we don't have too much concurrent analysis going on.
3. Understand that stats are just numbers and you can't find all leaks by looking at them...this is why some people think stats posts are not that useful. They can be useful but understand that nothing beats actually getting involved in the forum and replying to strategy posts/hands. This forum helps people who helps themselves. Someone can tell you to play more hands in late position or widen your PF 3! range, but unless you get involved in the forums you won't get any feedback on if you are picking the right spots to do so.
4. When you ask for comments on your stats you are likely to get some blunt responses. This is expected so try and take each comment based on its merit.

To anyone who wants to comment on stats:

I'm fully aware that some people don't like stats threads and that some say not to worry about stats but the reality is that there are posters who want stats threads. If you don't like stat posts then don't post in this thread.

[Leroy2DaBeroy]

So I've just finished my first 10k hands at PLO25 and I think I've made some solid progress in my game. I know I need to 3! a wider range of hands and that my positional awareness (and corresponding hand ranges) need some fine-tuning. Anyone see anything else?

Also, are there stats I don't have in these shots that are especially helpful to look at?

[pkrtxs]

i am on my phone but when i get home i will post my stats. you will all lolololololololol!

[kisada]

you're right about needing to 3-bet more, way too narrow of a range. you're also right about positional awareness. it's good that your recognize these things though.

you have an extraordinarily high fold to 3-bet%. assuming it is what i think it is (raising then folding to 3-bet), you're gonna wanna work on that.

also you seem to be playing way too many hands from the blinds, SB in particular. yes, button raising ranges will be wider so your hands will fare better against aggregate button ranges, but it's not really worth defending. you absolutely gotta play tight out of the blinds.

[davidwrunner]

Positional awareness - no1 problem.

I suggest only playing top 5% of hands in early position and only defend in the blinds when u are ahead of the pfr's range.

GL

[napsus]

you can also play and open/raise a lot wider from CO and BTN

agree that 30 vpip from SB is too wide

[Leroy2DaBeroy]

Originally Posted by kisada

you have an extraordinarily high fold to 3-bet%. assuming it is what i think it is (raising then folding to 3-bet), you're gonna wanna work on that.

I'm not 100% sure that's what this is, TBH.

also you seem to be playing way too many hands from the blinds, SB in particular. yes, button raising ranges will be wider so your hands will fare better against aggregate button ranges, but it's not really worth defending. you absolutely gotta play tight out of the blinds.

The games I play in are pretty passive (particularly the non-Rush tables) so there are a lot of limpers and BB is usually something like 45/5 so very unlikely to raise. In the SB, I find myself playing a lot of speculative mostly one way hands (i.e. QQ23, A782ss, etc.) that hit really well or that I can get away from really easily. Are the IO on these not good enough?

Thanks for the feedback so far. I also have been sort of working my way through PF bet-sizing, but I think I've got what I want to do down pat pretty well now. My next 10k hands should look a lot better positionally.

[kisada]

one way we can corroborate that stat is for you to review a 6m hand you've played, and click on your 3-bet stat. you'll see something like fold to 3-bet and fold to 4-bet underneath that. if the 3b fold % is the same as what you've got listed, then it's definitely way too high. there's a chance that the one listed is inclusive of cold-folding without having any money in the pot already, but you're gonna wanna make sure.

as far as your SB stats: it's not really the vpip i was looking at, though it is kinda high. it's the fold SB to steal stats. you just can't be playing 35% of your hands out of the worst position to a raise. cold-calling already has it's disadvantages, even in position, but oop in PLO? it's a massive leak. it's not often about implied odds in this game. it's about one guy having a hand and the other guy trying to hit his draw. implied odds matter a lot less because previously made hands often have to fold when obvious draws complete. and because that cat and mouse game is a big part of PLO, you need to work on not being the mouse (being oop) as much as possible.

i remember one of the first times i checked my SB stats after my first long run of hands. i basically would have saved money if i had folded out of the SB every single time, instead of playing what i was. and at that point i was already well-versed in a lot of the hands NOT to play (bad pairs, bad gap rundowns etc). so until you can attain proficiency of post-flop play, you're really doing yourself a favor by playing super tight out of the blinds.

[Leroy2DaBeroy]

Bump for someone else posting their stats and getting feedback, IMO.

[CHRONICFEVER]

10k hands of 50 max,50k 100 max,20k 200max, and about 1k hands of 2-4 + all shallow tables. I can use some feedback.

[Leroy2DaBeroy]

I'm assuming what I think of as high VPIP #'s is a function of the CAP table/SS'ing game?

[crashwhips]

Originally Posted by CHRONICFEVER

10k hands of 50 max,50k 100 max,20k 200max, and about 1k hands of 2-4 + all shallow tables. I can use some feedback.

Looks decent, maybe slightly too loose and passive. Your 3bet numbers are good, though you may be 3betting a bit too much for shallow (I think between 8-10% is optimal for those games). The big glaring thing in your stats though, is that with your vpip so high, your att to steal should be way, way higher. It seems like maybe you are not positionally aware.

[CHRONICFEVER]

Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

I'm assuming what I think of as high VPIP #'s is a function of the CAP table/SS'ing game?

Imo a high vpip is necessary for the shallow games.

[CHRONICFEVER]

Originally Posted by crashwhips

Looks decent, maybe slightly too loose and passive. Your 3bet numbers are good, though you may be 3betting a bit too much for shallow (I think between 8-10% is optimal for those games). The big glaring thing in your stats though, is that with your vpip so high, your att to steal should be way, way higher. It seems like maybe you are not positionally aware.

Agree with this somewhat and probably do need to tighten up a bit. I think position is a big one too.however I did make a lot of my money from the button but I still have a high vpip from the blinds.

[jwc529]

Originally Posted by CHRONICFEVER

Imo a high vpip is necessary for the shallow games.

quite the opposite imo, i'm surprised u can 3bet so much shallow