Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Small Stakes PL Omaha Discussion of 1/2 and below pot-limit Omaha poker

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-13-2012, 01:28 PM   #76
hero donk
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: stockport (UK)
Posts: 63
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob View Post
limp/3betting with 30bb should be done for value only, as you'll have virtually no FE. QJT9ss is prob the bottom of my range for that, but it really comes down to adjusting to villain's range. That said, I never play below 100bb in ring games. Do yourself a favor and learn 100bb+ from the start, it's the best way to get value from the fish.
the thing with 100bb strategy is that the swings are far greater. im not a fan of flipping for 400bb... and im not really a noob... ive started from 100bb now i want to learn short stacking. with short stacking ur nearly always ahead. when u stick ur stack in...and if u make a mistake its less costly as uyr in for 30bbs...
hero donk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 03:21 PM   #77
TopPair2Pair
veteran
 
TopPair2Pair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 3,313
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemay002 View Post
MAgicninja - lefty2506, if i recall correctly some vids from dc are prettybad


whats bad about them? which vids and which eps and coaches pls.
TopPair2Pair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 03:28 PM   #78
GoGetaRealJob
QuadMasterSupreme
 
GoGetaRealJob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: FIN, coaching/blogging/tweeting
Posts: 7,072
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Yea, flipping for 400bb is high variance. But if that's your idea of deep play, you're doing it wrong. SSing is obv easy, and there's a ton of value in multitabling vs 100bb with 30bb. However, if u wanna become a good player instead of robotic exploitation of preflop spew, step out of your comfort zone. Best decision you'll ever make.
GoGetaRealJob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 06:09 PM   #79
hero donk
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: stockport (UK)
Posts: 63
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob View Post
Yea, flipping for 400bb is high variance. But if that's your idea of deep play, you're doing it wrong. SSing is obv easy, and there's a ton of value in multitabling vs 100bb with 30bb. However, if u wanna become a good player instead of robotic exploitation of preflop spew, step out of your comfort zone. Best decision you'll ever make.
i mean the ineveitable flips... top set vs wrap and a flushdraw etc....and yeah im going to stop being a robot and try 100bb again. i currently play on pokerstars.fr where the players suck. so when deep stacked i cant float, bluff or make any moves...so would you just play tight preflop and play ip rather than oop.

and also im dunno if this is wrong but i never really 3bet AA unless im getting 30% of more in pre... i hate bloating the pot then not knowing where ur at when u flop pretty average
thanks
hero donk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 07:53 PM   #80
Lemay002
veteran
 
Lemay002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Montreal
Posts: 2,991
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by hero donk View Post
i mean the ineveitable flips... top set vs wrap and a flushdraw etc....and yeah im going to stop being a robot and try 100bb again. i currently play on pokerstars.fr where the players suck. so when deep stacked i cant float, bluff or make any moves...so would you just play tight preflop and play ip rather than oop.

and also im dunno if this is wrong but i never really 3bet AA unless im getting 30% of more in pre... i hate bloating the pot then not knowing where ur at when u flop pretty average
thanks
This should be the opposite, if you can get really deep with the fish you should try to cover them. If you don't want to because of the swing I'd suggest playing lower stakes where you are actually rolled.

Second part is wrong to
Lemay002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 07:56 PM   #81
GoGetaRealJob
QuadMasterSupreme
 
GoGetaRealJob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: FIN, coaching/blogging/tweeting
Posts: 7,072
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

So you're playing a deep stack with a bunch of stations and you're worried about not being able to bluff them? Wait till you have the best hand - any best hand, not just nuts - and valuebet the hell out of them = profit.

As far as 3betting goes, 3bet wide in position to iso a fish, don't worry about getting enough money in pre. OOP u gotto 3bet hands that flop well and are likely to dominate villain's range. QJT9ds >>>>>> AA72r.
GoGetaRealJob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 07:56 PM   #82
Lemay002
veteran
 
Lemay002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Montreal
Posts: 2,991
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by TopPair2Pair View Post
whats bad about them? which vids and which eps and coaches pls.
Well some were made a few years back and are simply out of date since the game has evolved so much. The only good content in plo on DC is Vanessa Selbst (more for beginners) and Magicninja, note that I could be wrong about this since I havent been a member for a long time.

Cardrunners has some way better quality of coaches / instructor overall.
Lemay002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 07:57 PM   #83
D moose
grinder
 
D moose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 536
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemay002 View Post
MAgicninja - lefty2506, if i recall correctly some vids from dc are prettybad
Thoughts on Dereilleur/MonoPLOly series? The first seemed decent - I liked the 2 table vids because I tend to watch them while exercising, and usually with 4 tables I get lost on where they're at even when I'm close. Second one seemed good for defining board textures and some hand ranges, but it was a little dryer and I don't remember much from it.
D moose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 08:03 PM   #84
Lemay002
veteran
 
Lemay002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Montreal
Posts: 2,991
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by D moose View Post
Thoughts on Dereilleur/MonoPLOly series? The first seemed decent - I liked the 2 table vids because I tend to watch them while exercising, and usually with 4 tables I get lost on where they're at even when I'm close. Second one seemed good for defining board textures and some hand ranges, but it was a little dryer and I don't remember much from it.
I haven't watched them, I know DC is much cheaper than Bluefirepoker, but the vids are of much better quality on bfp, I think the ones on cardrunner are also of superior quality, but thats just my ''outdated experience''. I can name atleast 4-5 instructors that I think were really good on CR while I cannot for DC.
Lemay002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 08:56 PM   #85
pureklas
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,651
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Best videos/vid producer/ specifically for 3bet pots?
pureklas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 09:12 PM   #86
Lemay002
veteran
 
Lemay002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Montreal
Posts: 2,991
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by pureklas View Post
Best videos/vid producer/ specifically for 3bet pots?
I havent watched the series of tom chambers (lernedfromtv) on CR, but I think he covers just about everything in it.
Lemay002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2012, 10:18 PM   #87
D moose
grinder
 
D moose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 536
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

I'll have to check BFP out, at least for the trial bit. I like DC because there's no signup fee. I get why they do it, but I don't like it
D moose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2012, 10:20 AM   #88
DirDirDirty
Pooh-Bah
 
DirDirDirty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Clowning fools
Posts: 3,550
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Watched the first two videos of MagicNinjas Pregaming series on DC and so far they are awesome. He's one of the best I've watched at breaking down his thought process and everything he's saying is setting off light bulbs. Pretty amusing guy too, makes the vids really easy to watch. Bit above where I'm playing now but any micro or small stakes player should check them out. Thanks for the recommendation Lemay.
DirDirDirty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2012, 11:53 AM   #89
hero donk
enthusiast
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: stockport (UK)
Posts: 63
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemay002 View Post
This should be the opposite, if you can get really deep with the fish you should try to cover them. If you don't want to because of the swing I'd suggest playing lower stakes where you are actually rolled.

Second part is wrong to
lol so jeff hwang is wrong...specifically says that in his books.
and 100buyins i play...im rolled but swings still ridiculous
hero donk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 06:34 AM   #90
napsus
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
napsus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 9,506
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

bump
napsus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 07:42 AM   #91
pureklas
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,651
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Since you bumped this. I found that LFTV's videos on pokersavvy were the best introduction to plo. At least a year and a half ago. I'd actually recommend gakn & verneers series on cardrunners now. i think the games have changed/evolved & that video accounts for the adjustments you need to make.
pureklas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 09:47 AM   #92
Lemay002
veteran
 
Lemay002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Montreal
Posts: 2,991
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by DirDirDirty View Post
Watched the first two videos of MagicNinjas Pregaming series on DC and so far they are awesome. He's one of the best I've watched at breaking down his thought process and everything he's saying is setting off light bulbs. Pretty amusing guy too, makes the vids really easy to watch. Bit above where I'm playing now but any micro or small stakes player should check them out. Thanks for the recommendation Lemay.
no problem, m. le poisson
Lemay002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 10:40 AM   #93
noIQ1990
stranger
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 10
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Hi guys!

Planning on grinding up a bankroll by playing PLO Sit&Gos/Mtts. I will play the 18mans turbos on stars (better sites to play maybe?). I have roughly two days where I can put in some hours/volume, besides working/studying. And a 200$ starting roll.

Im very new too PLO and would like to get links to videos/articles about the game. And should I register at any coachingsite? Deucescracked etc... How many tables should I play too start with? 1-2? Im also wondering how the skill level is, is it high or is it much softer than NL Holdem? Any other input is very much appreciated!

Regards

noIQ1990, Norway

Over and out!
noIQ1990 is online now Report Post
Old Today, 03:27 PM
noIQ1990 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 10:45 AM   #94
napsus
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
napsus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 9,506
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

from whatever i have played the plo mtt's (up to ~$20), they are really soft, at least on pokerstars.
deucescracked and cardrunners both have good material, hard to say which one is better...
since you are norwegian you can play any site.
i recommend you look around different networks, how their software is, what kinda deals they have etc.
napsus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 10:51 AM   #95
noIQ1990
stranger
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 10
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Quote:
Originally Posted by napsus View Post
from whatever i have played the plo mtt's (up to ~$20), they are really soft, at least on pokerstars.
deucescracked and cardrunners both have good material, hard to say which one is better...
since you are norwegian you can play any site.
i recommend you look around different networks, how their software is, what kinda deals they have etc.
Thanks napsus!
noIQ1990 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 10:53 AM   #96
napsus
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
napsus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 9,506
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

check this out too, there are RB deals available

http://www.propokermag.com/
napsus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 10:55 AM   #97
GoGetaRealJob
QuadMasterSupreme
 
GoGetaRealJob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: FIN, coaching/blogging/tweeting
Posts: 7,072
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Yea, softness is a good reason to play PLO MTTs, but they're also really swingy due to equities running so close between starting hands.

Cash is def where the real money is, try it out while ur playing the MTTs/SNGs. 1 MTT table + 2-4 cash tables is pretty optimal IMO.
GoGetaRealJob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 11:09 AM   #98
pureklas
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,651
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Any good discussion on the redline for plo anywhere?
pureklas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 11:29 AM   #99
GoGetaRealJob
QuadMasterSupreme
 
GoGetaRealJob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: FIN, coaching/blogging/tweeting
Posts: 7,072
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Good stuff in this one, at least, u gotto read most of the convos to keep up though.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...hread-1109761/

I guess I can just give you cliffs:

-at the end of the day, only the green line matters
-optimal redline/blue line ratio is determined by your opponents and stakes
-for micro stakes, it's very difficult - and most likely not optimal - to maintain a positive red line.
GoGetaRealJob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2012, 12:34 PM   #100
Melvis
newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 23
Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

Hey Guys,
where should I play PLO10? A Site with a good rakeback deal and low rake would be nice. Any recomendations? Thanks

btw. someone should make this thread sticky...
Melvis is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ę 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online