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[the BIDWAH]

Originally Posted by budinho

I'm aiming towards sportbetting sites such as bwin,goalwin..anything that has win in name so people starts thinking they will win and than i hammerd them!

Spoiler:

kidding

Don't think their is too many really fishy PLO50 games,everyones solid.

didn't click your spoiler, So I am going to assume your serious

bwin it is

[sangalla]

How can we: "put Villain on range" (a la NLHE)?

[GoGetaRealJob]

well, simply put, it's much harder in PLO, especially for pre-flop unless playing an ubernit. Give us an example of a situation with villain reads/stats, so we have something to refer to.

[yrmom]

Originally Posted by sangalla

How can we: "put Villain on range" (a la NLHE)?

It's pretty rare you can put the villain on a specific hand like in NLH. You rarely will be able to say he has KQ97 with spades (though it's good to try).

Preflop you can try to put him on a vague range given what you know. You can assume he's not opening 2345 UTG if he's a solid reg. If he 3bets, his hand will usually be high card heavy or well connected unless he 3bets a ton.

Postflop is much easier. You just go with elimination based on what you know of the player. Some players call a bet with any piece of the flop, some only with nutted draws or 2pair+. What's harder is finding out how often which turn/river cards hit his range, but with experience it becomes easier.

[ACEvivKING]

It seems like it would take 5x longer to run 100$ into 2k+ playing PLO.
I could play 10nl with 300$ but if I had 300$ playing PLO I would be stuck grinding 4 PLO for another 50 BIs(500$ for 10PLO).
Is there any point in playing PLO in the nanos?

[Recreation]

are there any existing micro PLO study groups that I can join? I am interested in starting one if there are none that currently existing

[GoGetaRealJob]

Originally Posted by Recreation

are there any existing micro PLO study groups that I can join? I am interested in starting one if there are none that currently existing

Search function is your friend

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...icros-1119383/

Ace, Start PLO as high as you can, I'd say start at PLO10 with the 300 unless going busto would be devastating for you. Going busto is nothing to be ashamed of.

[sangalla]

Originally Posted by yrmom

It's pretty rare you can put the villain on a specific hand like in NLH. You rarely will be able to say he has KQ97 with spades (though it's good to try).

Preflop you can try to put him on a vague range given what you know. You can assume he's not opening 2345 UTG if he's a solid reg. If he 3bets, his hand will usually be high card heavy or well connected unless he 3bets a ton.

Postflop is much easier. You just go with elimination based on what you know of the player. Some players call a bet with any piece of the flop, some only with nutted draws or 2pair+. What's harder is finding out how often which turn/river cards hit his range, but with experience it becomes easier.

Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

well, simply put, it's much harder in PLO, especially for pre-flop unless playing an ubernit. Give us an example of a situation with villain reads/stats, so we have something to refer to.

Thanks for input.
So if we can not put villain on range, why do we care about the HUD? I'm testing the water at PLO2-PLO10 and it seems everybody playing VSIP/PFR between 30/15 - 70/10. Pretty much all Omaha HUD is useless to me. I do not understand how to interpret the stats.

After playing ~1k hands PLo my 1st impressions are:

1. 3bet light is useless and I don't know for sure what kind of hands to 3bet for value. So I decided not to 3bet at all.
2. cbet flop is useless. I feel this is my main leak. I only cbet strong hands on the flop because I have the feeling that people call too much on the flop (Beside, its rare to see HU flop).
3. AA** is strong, but much less than NLHE.
4. HUD is useless. The only useful stats for me is WTSD (lol. but I'm not kidding).
5. position, position, position.
6. Do not steal because the blind(s) will call you. Beside there is rarely attempt to steal.
7. Minimize bluff! I feel that the best spot for bluff is on the river but it's too expensive. So I decided not to bluff.
8. PLO is 1000x more fun+challenging than NLHE

Any comments to my points above is appreciate

[TopPair2Pair]

Originally Posted by Recreation

are there any existing micro PLO study groups that I can join? I am interested in starting one if there are none that currently existing

Rec myself and Ace posted in the other thread for a study group but nothing has materialised (Ace has since then pm'd me and I posted again in the other thread).

If you want I am happy to add you both and start a small one as no one in the other thread has taken any ownership for it after I posted there. Just let me know in here and pm me skype once you have enuff posts to do so and we'll kick it off.

[Recreation]

Originally Posted by TopPair2Pair

Rec myself and Ace posted in the other thread for a study group but nothing has materialised (Ace has since then pm'd me and I posted again in the other thread).

If you want I am happy to add you both and start a small one as no one in the other thread has taken any ownership for it after I posted there. Just let me know in here and pm me skype once you have enuff posts to do so and we'll kick it off.

sounds good!

this post should lift off the PM block

[MuiMuiBueno]

in terms of vpp rate, what would be better. deep 10PLO or standard 25PLO? assume same # of hands and tables

[Jub.]

Originally Posted by MuiMuiBueno

in terms of vpp rate, what would be better. deep 10PLO or standard 25PLO? assume same # of hands and tables

25PLO, bigger
Blinds bigger pots in general . Of course you get crazy 10plo deep tab bales with mass average pot size

[Kenny Bania]

Originally Posted by sangalla

Thanks for input.
So if we can not put villain on range, why do we care about the HUD?

Say someone is playing 10/9, we raise with AQK2 and he calls pre. Flop comes 22T rainbow. We cbet, he x/r us. We put him on a range of TTxx, 2xxx, and bluffs. But then we see that he is a 10/9, so he has very few naked 2xxx in his pre flop calling range, so we should never 3bet this hand for value since he is either bluffing or has us beat.
Now say the villain who called is a 80/20. He will have the same generic range of TTxx, 2xxx, and bluffs, but this time he will have a lot more hands with a 2 in them in his range including 2345ss, 2789r, etc so we can 3bet this hand for value if we want.

Basically our "ranges" look a lot more like 10 percent naked top two pair, 30 percent flush draw plus some sort of straight draw, 10 percent naked nut flush draw, 30 percent set, and 20 percent pure air. As opposed to holdem where you can say more specifically 10 percent AK, 30 percent KQ, 5 percent 44, 5 percent TT, 5 percent KT, and 50 percent pure air.

[stuh]

hi guys - just found this thread. 2012 im gonna learn PLO, mostly because holdem bores me a bit and I dont have motivation to get better.

I have a couple of questions:

1) I have read that micro plo is not beatable. Is this true - I am uk based so can play anywhere - is rakeback a must have?

2) Can someone talk me through a HUD

many thanks,

Stu.

[Hookt]

How many tables do the huge multi-tablers play? What's the common number of tables for most profesisonal grinders?