***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

[GoGetaRealJob]

if ur certain that he has AA and have something like QJT8 on T64r, def worth trying to push him off it. If he keeps c-betting and stacking off with naked AA, u just stop obv and maybe start peeling. Peeling is prob best in the above scenario, abc-villain will **** his pants if a 7 or 5 comes OTT, if he shuts down and u don't improve OTR, good spot to stab.

in the micros, u should expect spew and very little fold equity, so tread carefully. I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of regs stacking off with the AA on a flop like that. I'm not saying that's bad, but prob the std they don't like straying from.

[niniw9fjv89]

Is grinding out the micros really the best way to learn? Would I be better just starting out at 50c/$1?

[GoGetaRealJob]

Absolutely, if u can afford it

[coon74]

In b4 napsus angrily pointing at July Digest where he advised to start from low stakes even if overrolled.

Spoiler:

E.g. I'm glad I didn't fall into grinding PLO100 despite having 50BI for it, theoretically even more but I can't say for sure how many as the border between my bankroll and liferoll is fuzzy now - I may cut expenses even more but I'm not sure it has merit.

I still believe that one should start at stakes where the expected hourly profit is compared to the one made at a currently attainable real job. If the stakes are too low, a lack of motivation will occur. If the stakes are too high, mistakes will be too painful.

I don't know why people are complaining that rake kills when it can be reduced to 5-10bb/100 at the micros by good deals. It's higher at PLO25 than at PLO200 but the former stakes usually have more traffic, which allows to table-select or deal-select (or do a combined practice known as multisiting) more efficiently. Gaining a skill edge (self-control and self-improvement) matters more.

[GoGetaRealJob]

"affording it" is a relative concept, obv

[Salats]

A quick question about steal spot.

I steal from BTN KQJ3ddd. BB calls flop AT6r with one diamond. I cbet and I was wondering what happens when I get checkraised? I have 30-35% equity vs two pairs and sets. Do you like 3betting? Or do you peel and hope for the str8? On a diamond turn that is not a Q,K,J I still have 30% equity against the same range.

Basically I want to know when should I go crazy with my 30% equity? And when is a good spot to peel? Obviously if I know the villian well I try to fold him out the hand when I know it is possible with my medium draws etc but what do you do vs unknowns, just try to fold them out when you get any decent board untill you see what he continues with? How does this change say 250bb deep?

[GoGetaRealJob]

I'm guessing u get called rather than raised by most aces, so I don't think u have much FE. I don't mind peeling the raise, but would prefer couple BDFDs to go with the inside wrap.

[Marc14]

So I'm thinking if getting into PLO after 2 years away from Poker. The main reason being that PLO has started to appear in the b&m rooms I live near to, and up to now I was pretty confident I would be +EV just by playing super nitty aggro. Plus its a game less well known than HE bla bla bla.

However, I just read an article in the July sticky regarding variance that mentionned that over 100k hands, potential outcome for a break even player can vary between +75BI to -60BI

Now I'm a casual player, have a full time job etc, but obviously looking to impove my poker game substantially (simply coz its fun and i love it). I would be playing maybe 15h live per month max on average, and say maybe 12 to 20 hours online. Add in maybe 2 hours of studying per week.

Taking this into account, wouldnt I just be gambling / surfing variance if I started to play PLO? I mean if I even built a small edge, would it actually mean something (ie make at least some pocket change) taking in account the small volumes I play?

I feel like this could be a retarded question, but any feedback is welcomed.

[tmckendry]

Couple hands I'm unsure on the correct action..

In both hands villain is 42/8/2, 40 aggro factor, slight losing reg. Always bets pot regardless of bluff/value, doesn't bluff that often or value bet thin. Can call fairly light on the flop.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $8.82
MP: $4.92
CO: $5.31
BTN: $2.92
Hero (SB): $7.45
BB: $5.67

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T A T 2

UTG calls $0.04, fold, CO calls $0.04, fold, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks

Flop: ($0.16, 4 players) T 8 9
Hero bets $0.12, fold, UTG calls $0.12, fold

Turn: ($0.40, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($1.20, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.20, fold

Spoiler:

UTG wins $1.14

Hand 2

Against the same villain..
Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $7.60
SB: $4.98
BB: $5.49
Hero (UTG): $9.14
CO: $5.67

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has K 7 7 K

Hero raises to $0.14, fold, BTN calls $0.14, fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.44, 3 players) Q 3 5
BB checks, Hero bets $0.33, BTN calls $0.33, fold

Turn: ($1.10, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.84, BTN calls $0.84

River: ($2.78, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.78, fold

Spoiler:

BTN wins $2.65

[GoGetaRealJob]

Originally Posted by Marc14

So I'm thinking if getting into PLO after 2 years away from Poker. The main reason being that PLO has started to appear in the b&m rooms I live near to, and up to now I was pretty confident I would be +EV just by playing super nitty aggro. Plus its a game less well known than HE bla bla bla.

However, I just read an article in the July sticky regarding variance that mentionned that over 100k hands, potential outcome for a break even player can vary between +75BI to -60BI

Now I'm a casual player, have a full time job etc, but obviously looking to impove my poker game substantially (simply coz its fun and i love it). I would be playing maybe 15h live per month max on average, and say maybe 12 to 20 hours online. Add in maybe 2 hours of studying per week.

Taking this into account, wouldnt I just be gambling / surfing variance if I started to play PLO? I mean if I even built a small edge, would it actually mean something (ie make at least some pocket change) taking in account the small volumes I play?

I feel like this could be a retarded question, but any feedback is welcomed.

What kinda stakes are you gonna start from? microstakes online and smallstakes live play loose-passive, which greatly decreases variance. The whole point of playing PLO is that atm u can build a much bigger skill edge to ur opponents on average. Variance in PLO comes from small equity differences between starting hands + aggressive play pre and post. When you start out vs soft opponents u just don't bluff and v-bet as much as possible. They won't put you in marginal spots and will be really easy to read.

[Marc14]

Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

What kinda stakes are you gonna start from? microstakes online and smallstakes live play loose-passive, which greatly decreases variance. The whole point of playing PLO is that atm u can build a much bigger skill edge to ur opponents on average. Variance in PLO comes from small equity differences between starting hands + aggressive play pre and post. When you start out vs soft opponents u just don't bluff and v-bet as much as possible. They won't put you in marginal spots and will be really easy to read.

Thanks for the reply.
I'm going to start pretty low, however I'm playing on pokerstars.fr with insane rake which I think makes micro unbeatable (need to look into that deeper). I'll probably start at PLO25 6max, maybe 15...
Live FR, 1-2, and I'll play super nitty and vbet a ton as you suggested.

[sriratcha]

Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

I'm guessing u get called rather than raised by most aces, so I don't think u have much FE. I don't mind peeling the raise, but would prefer couple BDFDs to go with the inside wrap.

Out of interest, wouldn't this be a good spot for most villains who have just a pair of aces to CR?

Especially if hero has high Cbet %age.

Against any random hand on that board, the pair of aces with 3 random sidecards has 70% + equity.

[Salats]

99Q8ds MP in 6max game always call when UTG opens?

[GoGetaRealJob]

Originally Posted by sriratcha

Out of interest, wouldn't this be a good spot for most villains who have just a pair of aces to CR?

Especially if hero has high Cbet %age.

Against any random hand on that board, the pair of aces with 3 random sidecards has 70% + equity.

Yea, it's a good spot, but I'm guessing most villains will just c/c a lot at micros.

Originally Posted by Salats

99Q8ds MP in 6max game always call when UTG opens?

It's marginal, really depends on how many will see the flop and whether you won't overplay mediocre hits. Did you notice the starting hand chart I posted?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...-6max-1227072/

[Salats]

Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

Did you notice the starting hand chart I posted?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...-6max-1227072/

No I didn't, thanks for the link.