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[AKQJ10]

Originally Posted by DickeLatte

right. hand loses fd value do to oversuit, and the pr/2pr + fd combos suffer from it too.
but stealing is great with this hand imo

edit: As 2s Kc Qd would be best out of the 3, as you can also flop top 2 + nfd with the AQ which you can't with the other 2 hands.

Or with the KQ, somewhat more likely.

Does "oversuit" refer to the 3rd suited card?

[DickeLatte]

Originally Posted by AKQJ10

Or with the KQ, somewhat more likely.

Does "oversuit" refer to the 3rd suited card?

yes refers to that

[RI Don]

Originally Posted by RI Don

I need some help.

I hate my game on rivers, absolutely hate it. I'm leaving a lot of money on the table. My agg% on Flop and turn is 30%+...the river is only 25.8...I'm checking back a lot of rivers. My AF by street is very similar, 3.4 Flop,3.2 Turn, 3.0 River so I'm not calling a ton but there are some scenarios on the river where I'm not thin value betting.

Is there a stat in HEM that I can look at to find situations where I could bet on the river. I want to start reviewing these hands.

Just reposting, hoping to get some help.

[SlimyF]

Originally Posted by chiego

whats a decent amount of buyins to play 6m plo 100bbs deep? zoom nlhe reg wondering
id imagine you'd want 100buyins?

You might lose 100 bins quite quickly, if you don't have plo experience.

If you're playing for living, then I would consider starting very low and just getting used to a game and then bins doesn't matter.

If you have steady income from somewhere else, are playing just for fun and losing/going broke doesn't effect you financially and you can deposit, then you can play with 1 bin.

If you play rec but don't want to go broke, then 50 bins would be fine if you're willing to drop stakes if you lose like 10-20 bins.

[SlimyF]

Originally Posted by DickeLatte

hand loses fd value do to oversuit

Doesn't effect that much.

[Aceinyourface]

Originally Posted by RI Don

Just reposting, hoping to get some help.

Barrel the river with value hands of course. Against REG´r you could triple barrel in the following scenarios:

- On wet boards when you double barrel with a draw and river is a brick and you have nothing.
- Missed wraps on rainbow boards.

[chiego]

Originally Posted by SlimyF

You might lose 100 bins quite quickly, if you don't have plo experience.

If you're playing for living, then I would consider starting very low and just getting used to a game and then bins doesn't matter.

If you have steady income from somewhere else, are playing just for fun and losing/going broke doesn't effect you financially and you can deposit, then you can play with 1 bin.

If you play rec but don't want to go broke, then 50 bins would be fine if you're willing to drop stakes if you lose like 10-20 bins.

I do play plo from time to time especially when im playing hu but i've never had any idea about buyin requirements. Ty for info

[RI Don]

Originally Posted by Aceinyourface

Barrel the river with value hands of course. Against REG´r you could triple barrel in the following scenarios:

- On wet boards when you double barrel with a draw and river is a brick and you have nothing.
- Missed wraps on rainbow boards.

Thanks...

My aggression on all 3 streets is the same, but my frequency is a lot different.

I'm a 3.25 trying to become even more aggressive. My agg freq is 35% but it's 37/37/27 Flop/Turn/River. I feel like I don't value bet thin.

My river cbet success rate is 56% which is the best rate I have for all streets, so I'm getting credit for my bets. I feel like I could extract some value by betting rivers more. I have such a hand that I'm going to post basically, I'm OOP turned NF...got one caller and the board paired on the river. My intent was to check call, but I didn't want to get bluff raised. I think there are many spots OOP on rivers where I don't want to get bluff raised or think a raise is a bluff and i'm more content to call. I'm not calling a ton with river Agg of 3.25 but many times villains are not betting and when the cards turn i missed a value bet or an opportunity to bluff.

Thanks for the input!!

[Salats]

Another quick question. In HU PLO what is a normal 4bet sizing say 100bb deep and 200bb deep, do you just pot it? Thanks in advance.

[sufletRBL]

Sorry if it's a stupid question, but could someone give some links to threads about what hands to 3bet and what hands to call/fold/4bet to a 3bet?

[sufletRBL]

Originally Posted by sufletRBL

Sorry if it's a stupid question, but could someone give some links to threads about what hands to 3bet and what hands to call/fold/4bet to a 3bet?

I found this
I guess I should have read the monthly digests before asking. Anyway, if you have more, please share it

[hisboyelroy]

ok so i was watching mid stake plo , trying to learn something, well this hand blew me away

both were deep over 200bb(not important)
but CO lead pre, BTN 3b, CO 4b, BTN calls
* i was like ok couple of monsters,
flop was 4c5h7d
co bets big close to pot, BTN pots,CO all-in,BTN calls

CO, AdKdKhTh
BTN 5d6hJhTd a big

co has over pair and 2 better BDFD

turn 8c
river 8h

I thought guy just got lucky but i ran it at propokertools.com and saw he had the lead on flop

[IMG]ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation 820 trials (Exhaustive) board: 457

Hand

Pot equity

Wins

Ties 5d6hJhTd

56.10%

460

0 AdKdKhTh

43.90%

360

0

[/IMG]

[Salats]

Originally Posted by hisboyelroy

ok so i was watching mid stake plo , trying to learn something, well this hand blew me away

both were deep over 200bb(not important)
but CO lead pre, BTN 3b, CO 4b, BTN calls
* i was like ok couple of monsters,
flop was 4c5h7d
co bets big close to pot, BTN pots,CO all-in,BTN calls

CO, AdKdKhTh
BTN 5d6hJhTd a big

co has over pair and 2 better BDFD

turn 8c
river 8h

I thought guy just got lucky but i ran it at propokertools.com and saw he had the lead on flop

[IMG]ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation 820 trials (Exhaustive) board: 457 [/IMG]

Well CO prolly wanted to fold out AAxx and since it's a 4bet pot and he still has some equity then it's cool, and BTN can put him on mostly AAxx hands too I guess then his OESD+pair+2 BDFD look good too.

BTW what I wrote could be wrong as I'm really new to PLO, but being aggressive with a chunk of equity seems the way everyone is playing here.

[DickeLatte]

bb is 88/53/33 over 402 hands, and right now 3-betting pretty much every hand (megatilt). he also stacks off super light right now (saw him stacking in 3bet pot with bottom pair + gutter on a 788 board)

sb is 45/11/0 over 340 hands, loose passive pre and passive post flop.

PartyGaming - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $88.21
CO: $26.46
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $25.00
BB: $55.09
UTG: $21.39

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T 6 8 Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB raises to $3.40, Hero calls $2.55, SB calls $2.55

Flop: ($10.20, 3 players) 8 J A
SB checks, BB bets $7.26, [color=red][b]Hero ?



always shoveling the coconuts here with pair + 2nd nfd + double gutter?
there's no reason to just call here right?
and we're never folding here with the megadonk in bb commited with his trash-heavy range? (we even have ~42% vs AAxx.)

[coon74]

I'd just call to let SB in (he'll have the nut flushdraw less often than a baby one), but stack off in any scenario.

Now I'd like to discuss HUD configuration because, using FPDB yet (I feel uncomfortable to pay or use a free trial for a HUD until I learn to extract value from it), I have no idea what standard 'extended HUDs' for HEM/PT are and I can't google it out.

Unfortunately advanced stats like donk%, c/r% aren't avalaible so I've come up with a following 5x5 lineup (small f's mean fold):

hands/VPIP/PFR/PF3b/AF
PF4b/steal/resteal/f_blinds_steal/squeeze
FAFqF/Fcb/FfFq/fFcb/fPF4b
TAFq/Tcb/TfFq/fTcb/WTSD
RAFq/Rcb/RfFq/fRcb/W$SD

I agree it's too large, my short 4x4 version of it is such (I find fTcb very relevant because I'm bad at barrelling; the number of hands is not so relevant because I hang out pretty often and know the regs and also I can figure it out seeing how fast the numbers change during the session):

VPIP/PFR/PF3b/AF
PF4b/steal/resteal/f_blinds_steal
FAFq/TAFq/RAFq/Fcb
fFcb/fTcb/WTSD/W$SD

I don't like to see profit stats like bb/100 as they're very tilting and are affected by my presence and relative edge much more than other stats .

What are your suggestions on HUD configuration?