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02-06-2012, 10:44 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
Ive been playing pretty poorly, just not sure wtf im doing anymore
BTN is 61/40/20, very weak
SB is 44/11, 44% FCB/15% c/r, never folds to turn bets and gets progressively more aggro by street 2/3.5/5. Dont remember any specific reads.
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PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($247)
Hero ($190)
BTN ($95.03)
Dealt to Hero Q  A  7  K
BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls $3, SB calls $3
FLOP ($12) 2  A  6
SB checks, Hero bets $8, BTN folds, SB calls $8
TURN ($28) 2  A  6  A
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $36, Hero??
Does my turn sizing suck here, should it be more like 14/27?
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02-06-2012, 10:48 AM
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Mod God on God Mode
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
call everytime, he can easily assume ur just barreling, it's hard to hit trips, u know
river?
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02-06-2012, 11:06 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
RIVER ($100) 2  A  6  A  3
SB bets $98, Hero?
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02-06-2012, 11:26 AM
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
uuuuugh... fold.
minraise turn/pot river on this board looks pretty scary. did he snap pot by any chance? Anyways, ur call has to worry him at least somewhat, so I'm pretty happy with folding.
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02-06-2012, 12:02 PM
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old hand
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
i bet about 21~ OTT and call the minraise, now fold river.
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02-06-2012, 12:52 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
I think 21 is pretty much the same as 18 and I suspect its a pretty ****ty bet size here. I think 26 beats 18/21, and 15 is the correct sizing
GGaRJ, if I DO bet 26 on the turn and he minraises, do u think its more likely he has an A and I should jam over?
Any value at all in a turn 3b in any case?
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02-06-2012, 01:01 PM
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veteran
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
I think he has nuts here too often to make shove profitable.
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02-06-2012, 01:22 PM
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centurion
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
if he folds 44% and never folds to Turn bets, i'd bet on a bigger side 60-80% , to get as much as possible from his draws. if he called flop bet he has smth and he's gonna likely call a Turn bet, so max value but not to scare him of. as played call and fold to River bet. if they try to out play you they rarely bluff rivers esp potting.
But what do u think of PF raise?! hero is deep 190 bb, with a fish that doesn't like to fold post flop, and a fish OTB and the hand is non nut FD + dangler. Is it a clear raise pre?!
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02-06-2012, 07:09 PM
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
Def no value in a turn 3bet, chases away bluffs, worse trips.
Probably betting 18 myself, it's a decent sizing in that it may induce bluffraises. Betting 26 would look pretty strong, don't think he bluffs as easily vs that
Pre I usually just check my option here, would prefer to be ds or no dangler.
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02-06-2012, 07:21 PM
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old hand
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
I think 21 is pretty much the same as 18 and I suspect its a pretty ****ty bet size here. I think 26 beats 18/21, and 15 is the correct sizing
GGaRJ, if I DO bet 26 on the turn and he minraises, do u think its more likely he has an A and I should jam over?
Any value at all in a turn 3b in any case?
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Yeah its really simillar sizing but i think a sizing above 20~ (it may be the same but also may lok different/stronger in villains eyes) wont be so much bluff inducing, and we get more value from a wide range of weaker Ax.
15 being the right sizing, could be, sure. Think depends on villain.
Anyway, WP. You folded river right ?
And about 3b on the turn, really hate it, for obv. reasons GGARJ mentioned.
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02-06-2012, 09:07 PM
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old hand
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
As a default, I bet a little over 1/2 pot on the turn with my entire range (except for like KK/QQ with clubs against LAGs which I check back and just turbo-call any river). Against guys that peel really loosely I go up to like 22 or 24 with all my trips and bigger flush draws, 1/2 pot quads, boats with 2 overs, and some of my air, and give up with the rest of my air.
This line is pretty much always a boat. You played turn river exactly right IMO. (FWIW, I'm folding to almost any river sizing here absent a strong read)
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02-06-2012, 10:21 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
wp
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02-07-2012, 12:38 AM
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veteran
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
I think 21 is pretty much the same as 18 and I suspect its a pretty ****ty bet size here. I think 26 beats 18/21, and 15 is the correct sizing
GGaRJ, if I DO bet 26 on the turn and he minraises, do u think its more likely he has an A and I should jam over?
Any value at all in a turn 3b in any case?
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I agree that 14-15 is fine. Prices out fds, loses less when we actually are behind 66, but looks kinda weak, so we have to call that raise. Am I right that we only need 18% to call?
I wonder about 3bet on turn. Can it be terrible? He has such a narrow value betting range and his semibluff combos far outnumber his value hands.
I know we feel stupid when he turns over 66...Still
River is probably a fold, still inclined to at least consider calling. His minraise sizing on the turn can be trying to buy the pot on the river if he misses his fd. Or it could be the nuts... He does get the right to bluff first on the river though. Who knows if he is thinking that far ahead.
Anyway tough hand.
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02-07-2012, 01:21 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Nut trips 200BB deep vs fish c/minr on turn
i dont like betting flop
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02-07-2012, 03:00 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lifes3ps
i dont like betting flop
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Why not?
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