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07-27-2014 , 09:54 AM
i am a newbie on plo, I want to know as a newbie which table are suitable? zoom or normal table? And why?

Below are my thought:
Playing zoom table, I can play more tables in unit of time.,And I can face So many difficult situation

Playing normal table, I can Understand table dynamics.And I can play More targeted with specific opponent,maybe this point can increase my winrate

For me, hands quality is more important than hands number

And I found on zoom table, I can play more tighter, that is to say: I will face fewer marginal situation,

So, what are your thought?
Thanks For any help
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07-27-2014 , 10:04 AM
I don't/can't play on pokerstars so I can't speak from experience, but I've seen everyone say that zoom is much tougher to beat. So you might want to stick to normal tables.
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07-27-2014 , 10:24 AM
After 50k hands of micro zoom I'd say do not play zoom at these stakes
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07-27-2014 , 11:14 AM
depends on your goals. poker your main source of income?

as a general guide, imo the learning curve is much higher at regular tables, esp at deep/ante tables, and obv you get much more hands in playing zoom.
how many tables do you want to do? would you mix zoom and regular? what´s your stake, what´s your br, how much does the risk of ruin effect you etc? ask yourself that questions, and then welcome to the plo variance train
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07-27-2014 , 12:43 PM
if you wanna learn, then zoom sucks imo, depends where your skills lie, if your looking to rakeback grind then zoom is good, if your looking to learn in a controlled manner then normal speed is better imo
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08-01-2014 , 08:06 AM
I for myself have the feeling I am playing much worse at 6 regular tables (with all the tableselection) than 3 or 4 zoom tables.
And this sucks so much, as those 6 regular tables are way too few to get in some decent sample.
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08-01-2014 , 11:00 AM
both are fine, as u mentioned there's decent benefits from both
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08-01-2014 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by this_passing
both are fine, as u mentioned there's decent benefits from both
how´s your zoom500 adventures going, btw?
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08-01-2014 , 01:41 PM
Screw Zoom. Play regular tables and select tables with high players/flop percentage.
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08-01-2014 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wangwei520
Below are my thought:
Playing zoom table, I can play more tables in unit of time.,And I can face So many difficult situation
Depends on what you think a difficult situation is. I would say that due to the fact that many players just keep folding until they have position or a decent starting hand, the situations are pretty straight forward and not that challenging (at the lower levels).

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Originally Posted by wangwei520
Playing normal table, I can Understand table dynamics.And I can play More targeted with specific opponent,maybe this point can increase my winrate
You will definitely get a better feel for your opponents, and stats will mean a bit more.

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Originally Posted by wangwei520
For me, hands quality is more important than hands number
Then you should play regular tables.

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Originally Posted by wangwei520
And I found on zoom table, I can play more tighter, that is to say: I will face fewer marginal situation,
Your opponents are playing tigher as well (not a rule, just a generalization) which in turn will lead to some tougher spots when you have 2nd or 3rd best.

I would say until you have a handle on the game, regular tables will help you understand individual players better, the power of position and provide a slower pace to the game, so that you can learn a bit more.

Zoom is a lot of fun if you want to get a ton of hands in, but the hectic pace can at times remove the "poker" aspect of the game, and lead towards nut peddling and less decision making.
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08-01-2014 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ogwi
After 50k hands of micro zoom I'd say do not play zoom at these stakes
Why do you say that?
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08-01-2014 , 08:34 PM
^^ micro zoom the rake will destroy u
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08-01-2014 , 09:23 PM
^^ especially plo50z
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08-02-2014 , 03:11 PM
Ring game tables are like minor league poker. You have to find the fish and exploit them. Zoom tables are like major league poker. Play tight, value bet your good hands, and make the guys with draws pay. I will save you a year of experience with this next piece of advice.

Pokerstars is the largest poker website: it has the most sharks and it has the most unreliable card software. Save yourself time and money and find a better poker website to play. You can find better sites with more fish and software that is far more reliable and fair.

**If you decide to stay at Pokerstars (a mistake) then stick to 1 cent 2 cent until you can beat that regularly.

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08-02-2014 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DogdayCicada
Ring game tables are like minor league poker. You have to find the fish and exploit them. Zoom tables are like major league poker. Play tight, value bet your good hands, and make the guys with draws pay. I will save you a year of experience with this next piece of advice.

Pokerstars is the largest poker website: it has the most sharks and it has the most unreliable card software. Save yourself time and money and find a better poker website to play. You can find better sites with more fish and software that is far more reliable and fair.

**If you decide to stay at Pokerstars (a mistake) then stick to 1 cent 2 cent until you can beat that regularly.

worst post ever?
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08-03-2014 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DogdayCicada
Ring game tables are like minor league poker. You have to find the fish and exploit them. Zoom tables are like major league poker. Play tight, value bet your good hands, and make the guys with draws pay. I will save you a year of experience with this next piece of advice.

Pokerstars is the largest poker website: it has the most sharks and it has the most unreliable card software. Save yourself time and money and find a better poker website to play. You can find better sites with more fish and software that is far more reliable and fair.

**If you decide to stay at Pokerstars (a mistake) then stick to 1 cent 2 cent until you can beat that regularly.

I think I disagree with every single point made in this post, doesnt happen too often
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08-03-2014 , 04:45 AM
Start with deep ante. Thats the best choice if you want to learn and you have long term plans with plo. Start to check the winner regulars on your limit.Plus on deep tables the rake effect is lower than on 100bb tables.
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08-03-2014 , 07:49 AM
Zoom, obviously. Don't even bothering opening normal ones unless you're playing for mid/high stakes. You'll spend too much time hunting and opening. Time you're better off spending PLAYING POKER. Plus on zoom you'll play more hands/time. Things like "table dynamics" are highly overrated at smaller stakes.

And LOL someone saying the rake kills zoom micro, you have no idea what you're talking about. Rake talk is only in 50 and 100.
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08-03-2014 , 11:21 PM
Deep for a beginner will result in huge losses when you make mistakes which for a beginner will be often.

Zoom gives you more hands but IMO you're playing your cards more then your opponent as there isn't as much dynamics and history as on normal tables.

Just play normal tables and get I to the rhythm of a game. Once you've learned the game, if you wish to focus on deep games thrn go play Antes. People telling you to go learn on deep tables are just asking for donations.
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08-04-2014 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SpectreXS

And LOL someone saying the rake kills zoom micro, you have no idea what you're talking about. Rake talk is only in 50 and 100.
nice level, rake is highest at PLO2, and gets better as you go up, still crushes you when compared to other sites with better rakeback
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08-04-2014 , 04:22 PM
PLO100z still rake fest?
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08-04-2014 , 08:00 PM
Normal ones if you want to learn basics and dynamics. Zoom doesn't offer those. Well maybe basics, but maybe I'm just old school..
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08-05-2014 , 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DogdayCicada
Ring game tables are like minor league poker. You have to find the fish and exploit them. Zoom tables are like major league poker. Play tight, value bet your good hands, and make the guys with draws pay. I will save you a year of experience with this next piece of advice.

Pokerstars is the largest poker website: it has the most sharks and it has the most unreliable card software. Save yourself time and money and find a better poker website to play. You can find better sites with more fish and software that is far more reliable and fair.

**If you decide to stay at Pokerstars (a mistake) then stick to 1 cent 2 cent until you can beat that regularly.

this guys reasoning is like the most ******ed thing i have seen in my entire life. But his conclusions are good. You shouldnt play micros on pokerstars. its possible to get 80% rakeback deals on other sites so the only valid reason to NOT play on PS is the rake. But the rake is also the most important reason because PS rake is absurd compared to playing on other sites with good RB deals. Pokerstars owns other sites in every other competitive aspect.
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08-06-2014 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hackprotech
this guys reasoning is like the most ******ed thing i have seen in my entire life. But his conclusions are good. You shouldnt play micros on pokerstars.
Spoiler:
its possible to get 80% rakeback deals on other sites so the only valid reason to NOT play on PS is the rake
. But the rake is also the most important reason because PS rake is absurd compared to playing on other sites with good RB deals. Pokerstars owns other sites in every other competitive aspect.
the same deal have all the other regs on ipoker for example. the fish/player without deal bleed out even faster there. from my expierience, daytime in germany, the games are pain to play in in. so fkn tight and so many shorties.
as for the Q: play both. i play 3 zoom+4/6 normal tables. that way u get volume+u can select the best tables in the lobby.
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