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New to PLO - Few questionable hands New to PLO - Few questionable hands

08-02-2017 , 11:32 PM
Pretty much brand new to Omaha/PLO - so looking for advice on any street. I really struggle to know where I'm at post flop when I don't hit hard, especially OOP and against agro opponents.

H1: Is this even a good 3b pre? I think flop bet is pretty standard? Should I continue barrel on turn or check to induce bluffs?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 115.6 BB
UTG: 77.8 BB (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 45.45, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
CO: 150 BB (VPIP: 30.99, PFR: 22.54, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 76)
BTN: 226.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 28.13, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 33)
SB: 40 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K A 7

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (12.4 BB, 2 players) 2 7 K
Hero bets 9 BB, UTG calls 9 BB

Turn: (30.4 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, UTG bets 21.6 BB, Hero calls 21.6 BB

River: (73.6 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, UTG bets 41.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 41.2 BB

H2: Is this a clear 3b pre? I think if I am going to 3b this pre it's a pretty easy call vs the short stack shove.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 30.8 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 344 BB (VPIP: 22.70, PFR: 15.53, 3Bet Preflop: 7.46, Hands: 169)
BTN: 142.6 BB (VPIP: 83.72, PFR: 25.58, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 43)
Hero (SB): 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3 J J A

fold, BTN raises to 3.4 BB, Hero raises to 11.2 BB, BB raises to 30.8 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 19.6 BB

Flop: (65 BB, 2 players) Q 4 T

Turn: (65 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (65 BB, 2 players) T

H3: Villain in this and H4 was particularly active and agro, but seemed solid. Again, is this a good hand to 3b pre against CO opening range? Should I fold to the 4b? He definitely has Ax in his range, should we just give up on the flop?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 116.6 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 108.6 BB
CO: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5 Q K K

CO raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10.2 BB, CO raises to 30.6 BB, Hero calls 20.4 BB

Flop: (61.6 BB, 2 players) 9 A A
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (61.6 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 27 BB, CO calls 27 BB

River: (115.6 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, CO bets 42.8 BB and is all-in, fold,

H4: Same villain from H3. I hope 3b pre is standard. I'm not in love with my hand when I get raised on the turn, but with the nut flush blocker and blockers to the A high straight is this a good spot to bluff catch? I figured I had one of the best hands here to bluff catch and this villain as I mentioned was quite agro and active.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 157.6 BB (VPIP: 31.96, PFR: 24.74, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 97)
CO: 140.4 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 107.2 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 18.26, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 121)
SB: 64.8 BB (VPIP: 88.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 26)
Hero (BB): 242.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A A 4

fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10.2 BB, BTN calls 6.8 BB

Flop: (20.8 BB, 2 players) K 6 8
Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB

Turn: (48.8 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 31 BB, BTN raises to 83 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 52 BB

River: (214.8 BB, 2 players) J
New to PLO - Few questionable hands Quote
08-03-2017 , 05:43 AM
All these hands are played too aggressively imo with the exception of hand 2.

H1: Don't raise pre. You have a very awkward time playing your hand OOP when you don't hit a K. AP flop and turn seem standard to me but clear fold on the river. I would lead rivers that paired the board.

H2 seems standard vs aggro short stack.

H3 same problem as H1 your hand is very awkward postflop if you don't hit a king. Check fold turn and check fold river though.

H4 don't bet flop don't bet turn. Stop playing PLO like its holdem.

In micro plo its almost best to assume that no one is pure bluffing ever. Assume V's have at least a flush I h1, at least an A in hand 3, and at least a flush on the turn In h4.

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Last edited by Igotsevens; 08-03-2017 at 05:54 AM.
New to PLO - Few questionable hands Quote
08-03-2017 , 08:35 AM
Since you're first starting playing PLO, you might be better off assuming players have what they represent, and then pick off 'bluffs' (which currently you might know you're doing) when you get more experience.

On the hand where you flopped a set of kings, when V bets after you check turn, he's representing a flush. When he bets after you check river, again he's representing a flush. Calling with kings here is bluff-catching, period.

Think more about position, and less about your cards for every hand.
New to PLO - Few questionable hands Quote
08-03-2017 , 11:47 AM
Hand 1 , i dont like to 3 bet pre. why, when you can see the pot so cheap.
IMO Flop Pot bet is neceassary. on turn i prefer to bet small, most of the time villians here calls and you can improve on the river or he reraises, and then its a fine fold. By the way, what was Villians hand here ?!

i dont like to 3 bet from SB, but after the Reraise all in from BB it is a clear call. on this flop i prefer to bet 1/3 to 1/2 pot.

Hand 3 the same, i dont like, to 3 bet from BB with marginal hands. i dont like your turn bet, it is too high. IMO; you dont have any blocker.


hand 4 , i think here is your 3 bet okay, on the flop i prefer, to check call, and MAYBE bluff with my, Ace high flush blocker. but OOP it is very hard, and you have defenetiv to know what to do,
New to PLO - Few questionable hands Quote
08-03-2017 , 02:27 PM
Thanks for the advice guys. Definitely, a different game than hold'em, but I think it's very interesting and seems like the games are softer than NLHE at the micro levels.

Is there some advice in regards to when to stay in the hand when the potential flush comes on the turn or the river? Surely we can't fold every time we have a decent hand (2p plus) and a potential flush shows up in a HU pot? That seems like we would be folding way too often. Is a check/call line better to take in that situation (obviously not all the time, and somewhat depending on villain's tendency)? Or is it better to continue to show aggression until we get pushed back on?
New to PLO - Few questionable hands Quote

      
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