hi,

i'm new to the forum and i wanted to start by a discussion about plo because this is mostly what i play and begin by the first step : the hud !

after i will try to do/or discuss another topics on the play pre flop , post flop ...

So this is my HUD, i don't use all of this but i guess it could be intersting to have a discussion about it !

VPIP : Less 21% Standard 21% - 27% High 27%+

TOT PFR : Less 16% Standard 16% - 18% High 18%+

AG FACTOR : Less 2% Standard 2% - 3% High 3%+

TOT 3Bet : Less 3% Standard 3% - 6% High 6%+

TOT 4Bet : Less 2% Standard 2% - 4% High 4%+

FLOP CBET : Less 55% Standard 55% - 65% High 65%+

FLOP CBET FOLD : Less 40% Standard 40% - 57% High 57%+

FLOP C/R : Less 2% Standard 2% - 6% High6%+

FLOP CBET RERAISE : Less 30% Standard 30% - 38% High 38%+

TURN CBET : Less 20% Standard 20% - 40% High 40%+

WTSD% : Less 21% Standard 21% - 27% High 27%+

WonSD% : Less 50% Standard 50% - 60% High 60%+


I have some doubt on the % on C/R and Reraise Cbet so don't hesitate to critics but i guess it's quit good!

see ya

I can see this discussion going in the wrong direction

The low, medium and high levels are arbitrary.

It depends whether you're playing ZOOM or regular tables. Than you have networks where PLO plays 5 handed. It depends on what your table lineup looks like and so on...

But in short, I play regular 6 max tables and I play well over 27% VPIP, over 18% PFR and well over 6% 3bet... And I don't think I'm too loose or aggressive.

Oh and WonSD% is rarely over 50%.

I'm a bit biased here as I think HUDs are overrated but let's not stir in that direction...

Why?
I agree. Poker is a game of incomplete information. And you want that information to be as incomplete as possible.

I don't play ZOOM as my country is banned from PS. But from what I've seen zoom tables play a lot tighter compared to regular tables which means we need to adjust to this and that usually means that our "optimal" stats should be different.

But I guess one could play and win with the same stats regardless of where he plays. But not adjusting to different situations is something I wouldn't recommend.

Yeah you can be a smart ass if you want. I have nothing against HUDs and if you feel they help you be my guest.

I believe that most low-mid stakes player have no idea on how to properly use a HUD and they apply the information they get in a very wrong way.

I also believe that most of us make mistakes that have a lot bigger impact on our winrate that not using a hud. So I choose to concentrate on them before I start learning on how to properly use a hud. If someone can do both simultaneously good for them.

I also think HUDs are a big reason why poker is drying up. I hope they get banned on as much networks as possible. If you don't believe me, look at the success unibet had in the past years.

And this comes from someone who has a masters degree in engineering so believe me when I say I love numbers

But to each it's own.

Instead of focusing on this, you're welcome to comment on the stats OP posted.

I would change the word standard to "nit of all time" and you would be closer to the truth.

ok thanks wabomushroom !!

I usually play in 6max you wright i should have precise my mistake.

Could you tell me please just to know how to adapt my range of c/f what's your % is on yours stat because i never know if i'm to high/low ?

All stats depend on each other and also on the stats of your opponent. There is no "one truth". Boring to say, but it depends. If you usually play against unknows you can start to think about an overall strategy, but therefore I would also look at the stats of the "pool" you are playing against to calculate a proper % for your stats.

I didn't really understood which stat you're looking for. Check/fold flop percentage?

Don't beat yourself up with stats. It all depends on your opponents. Sometimes you need to fold a little more and sometimes a little less... Don't make your life more complicated than it should be... the game itself is complicated enough