[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
BB: $25.92 (103.7 bb)
Hero (MP): $26.51 (106 bb)
CO: $27.65 (110.6 bb)
BTN: $43.35 (173.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K J T A
Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, SB folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.50) 9 2 Q (4 players)
BB bets $3.35, Hero calls $3.35, 2 folds

Turn: ($10.20) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $9.77, Hero calls $9.77

River: ($29.74) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $11.95, Hero folds

BB is 62/12
CO is 51/1
BTN is 26/11

Pros and cons of raise flop
Pros and cons of call flop

¿What do you do?

I would probably raise to at least 9 on that flop maybe slightly more depending on reads/history with the player. If they raise back we get it in if they flat:

I would be jamming all turns where I miss and the board doesn't pair hoping they think I have a set and we still have ~40-45% to get there so I want my fold equity.

If I hit one of my draws on the turn I would probably bet half the remaining stack of the villains and then the rest on river.

Easy raise/GII with this draw at this stack depth.

Merits of raising flop are that we have fold equity and can get money in while our hand equity is best and before a scare card kills our action.

Not raising flop there is a big mistake. This is like the best draw to have where we are flipping vs QQ. If we aren't raising this hand then you only have v strong made hands in your flop raising range (top/middle set, TP2 w/FD or TP2 w/SD)

If an opponent knows this, it makes it easy for him to continue with draws that could potentially be dominated. (eg. JT8 with say a T high FD) or even bare wraps with no FD.

I missed we were 4 way but I don't think this changes things much. We can still flat with bare NFD or AKJT with no FD to keep in dominated flush and straight draws from villain. And with their stats they probably are still calling with some dominated wraps/straight draws even when we raise flop here.

Being the pot multiway is the main reason why I opted to call here. Tought It would be good with this nutty draw hand to get people in the action with hands like 2pair or bottom sets or dominated draws that would fold if I raise (I would like to go allin here against top set and bottom set, that just again top set). I didn't think I had many FE when villain donk almost pot size against 3 players and I would be splitting or being a small favorite as best going allin against that strong donking range.

That was my tought. But I am not sure anyway and I am taking notes in all you guys are saying.

P.D: I like what you said about their stats, probably they could go in the action with sucker holding even If I raise. But would you change your line so against tought opponents?

Tougher players won't be tempted in to calling with weak non nut-draws anyway and there's more reason to be balanced too - so raising against tougher players is a must.

Interesting discussion. I would probably flat if villain that donks into 3 players is a good player. The fact that all our draws are to the nuts makes me believe that villain has a strong made hand, probably a set. If we raise we are isolating ourselves against the top of a range and are flipping.

When flatting we have a chance that dominated draws etc of villains left to act behind us stay in the hand. I guess that is not a bad scenario. Besides this when one of the villains behind us decides to raise we can still get it in (but with more money in the pot).

Offcourse this is villain dependant. Best as villain that donks is a good reg and players left to act are fishy. You want to keep the fish in the pot. Against tougher opponents I would likely just raise

so if we arent raising this we have no raising range in this spot right?
i like having raising ranges.

with no percieved fold equity and it being flippy I might prefer a call to preserve position, + promote multiwayness

I'd rather be the guy with pair+combo draw here,,, I think,, that guy might fold though to the rtaise, which is good. Against anything else I don't give a **** too much about getting it in, including sets.

Easy way to play is just to pot
There is capacity to call if you got a good read on his donk range there (assuming heads up GII) - he is CR'ing a set for instance, these donks are usually Q9+ draw or pair+combo draw. And it's better to call vs the pair + combo draw. I guess QQ should always be donking 1/2 pot, as when you have 99 you can much more often get a CR in. anyway a dry set is not concerning as the hand is a dog, but what is concerning is blockers. Calling can give much more info on the other two players blockers also which may pay off ont he river - you have bricked and the guy was shoving all in anyway so you can save some $

This is truly a monster hand, and raising is default, but your line is fine. Its hard to make a large mistake on flop imo as the hand is so good.

This was my initial thought too but against 2 passive/fishy villains is balance in this spot that important? Also, we can still have a raising range anyway - similar wrap hands but with non nut FD. Raising should fold out bare nut FD hands and thus we are in great shape vs anything that GII with us.

The more I think about it the more I like keeping in dominated draws. Making a small goofy (almost m-r) on the flop vs these villains could be quite interesting too.

I don't mind the call. Our hand is definitely strong enough to raise for value, but being that the pot is 4-way and that there's a fish left to act, promoting multy-way action with a hand like we have is a decent option.

It turns incredibly well, and the fact that all of our outs are nutted makes it super easy to play.

From a range perspective raising might be the superior play as Apo suggests, but given the stakes that OP plays, this would not be my top consideration.

If you have 0 fold equity vs PB donk from BB is this spot not 50/50 on call and raise, especially 3 ways. I don't think SB calls often, in fact a very small percentage of the time.

its 50/50 if we're against a set all the time.

If villain can lead bluff here I think a raise is better especially if he doesn't lay draws down which we have nutted.

I don't think it's an obligatory balance raise, either; lots of other draws (technically composites since they basically always have a pair) are much clearer shove > calls*.

Also, even if we can assume that the BB is good, the BB shouldn't lead here much, if at all, at equilibrium; he'd have by far the weakest range if there weren't any fish. So the very fact that he leads in the first place would strong suggest an exploitative adjustment against the field (a perception that everyone else in the pot is a nit, or knowledge that there are one or more loose-passive fish in the pot). He'd have an imbalanced range from the outset, and there'd almost certainly be bad players behind us, so it's like balance would be ruled out from being a dominant concern before it had a chance.

idk, its just I see pot/folds in these types of spots suprisingly often.