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01-30-2016 , 12:24 PM
So I have a monster draw in a 3bet pot, but we're a little deep and the board is paired. No real reads on villain, all I know is he's not a reg. Just clicking the call button on every street feels fishy. Seems like I should be either raising or folding somewhere.

    Merge, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37230793

    BB: $345.65 (345.7 bb)
    MP: $55.37 (55.4 bb)
    hero: $155.06 (155.1 bb)
    BTN: $106.86 (106.9 bb)
    SB: $90.99 (91 bb)

    Hero is dealt A 8 Q 9

    Preflop:
    MP folds, hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3, BB raises to $6, hero calls $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50

    Flop: ($24) T J T (4 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $18, hero calls $18, 2 folds

    Turn: ($60) 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $40, CO calls $40

    River: ($140) 7 (2 players)
    BB bets $70, hero calls $70

    Spoiler:
    Results: $280 pot ($4 rake)
    Final Board: T J T 6 7
    BB showed 9 J 9 J and won $276 ($142 net)
    hero showed A 8 Q 9 and lost (-$134 net)



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    01-30-2016 , 01:13 PM
    In a 4way pot bb bets into 3 people w big sizeing. Std is flop fold everything else seems spewy/rio heavy imo.
    Flop peel is iffy.
    Turn is clearly spew
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    01-30-2016 , 02:37 PM
    monster draw? With 2 nut outs?



    Or am i missing here something?
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    01-30-2016 , 03:15 PM
    I would fold the flop; he is betting four way.
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    01-30-2016 , 03:52 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Controlling
    monster draw? With 2 nut outs?
    Most draws on paired boards have zero .
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    01-30-2016 , 04:08 PM
    i think i understand your point now...

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    01-30-2016 , 05:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by naggeri
    In a 4way pot bb bets into 3 people w big sizeing. Std is flop fold everything else seems spewy/rio heavy imo.
    Flop peel is iffy.
    Turn is clearly spew
    this.

    Can maybe get away with peeling if you are at least 200bb deep (or if other villains are really deep too) but just not enough implied odds as played.
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    01-30-2016 , 08:04 PM
    Fold pre fold post you don't wanna see the board pair especially with broadway cards and if you hit your flush or straight how could you possibly be good if bets start going in.
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    01-30-2016 , 09:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Drrr.Gonzo
    Fold pre
    What. The. ****.
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    01-31-2016 , 01:06 AM
    When considering to call a large bet from a player in a multi-way pot the simplest way to look at your draw is to consider the number of nut outs you have, which is exactly 2. Calling flop is pretty optimistic, calling turn is a huge mistake against most players as its too hard to construct a range of total bluffs or some other value that we're drawing live against.

    Preflop looks standard, but post-flop was a pretty big spew. Sometimes you just have to dumo the pretty looking straight fd unfortunately
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    01-31-2016 , 01:09 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Controlling
    i think i understand your point now...

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    You really made me laugh hahaha

    The monster draw and the fold preflop are just trolling attempts right?
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    01-31-2016 , 02:40 AM
    "Monster" draw is probably a little strong, but the point is if our draw is better I'm not sure it really changes the hand that much. We're still screwed vs a boat either way. So the idea is whether we have room to outplay villain somewhere and rep a boat ourselves not whether we can simply outdraw him. So are you calling/shoving stronger draws or just nitting it up on my word choice?
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    01-31-2016 , 04:06 AM
    Came to say this is not a monster draw

    seems easy fold 4 ways flop

    I think you can raise against BB range but the tweo behind you strengthen his range plus you are gonna get ambushed by one of the 3 so easy fold

    you can call for the str8 flush draw as a novelty but its not worth it
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    01-31-2016 , 04:09 AM
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    Originally Posted by .isolated
    What. The. ****.
    H'es clearly a major nit grandpa

    I disagree with pot open though, just like I disagree with a 'pot sized bet' only range preflop

    Limp, min raise, 2.5x and 3x all better than pot although limp : pot is interesting, limping has alot going for it due to it being able to make alot of draws.
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    01-31-2016 , 05:03 AM
    Really? I do my fair share of open limping otb but I don't think I limp anything from the c/o. Also, incidentally, I pot from every position.
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    01-31-2016 , 09:53 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
    H'es clearly a major nit grandpa

    I disagree with pot open though, just like I disagree with a 'pot sized bet' only range preflop

    Limp, min raise, 2.5x and 3x all better than pot although limp : pot is interesting, limping has alot going for it due to it being able to make alot of draws.
    I don`t really get you point when it comes to limping pre. What you want to achieve with that? Is your plan to hope for a multiway-pot here? I have to admit that this is not a band hand to play multiway.

    I think the standard play here is open raise to knock the BTN out and buy position. When we only take the blinds down it`s fine, if we get called it is no problem and if we get 3bet we can call without a doubt.

    Postflop doesn`t need any further discussion imo and i think NMcNasty (veteran, over 2K of posts) is more trolling than asking.
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    01-31-2016 , 10:44 AM
    Potting pre for straight value was the only option for me in this soft game. I would have 5xed it if I could.
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    01-31-2016 , 02:09 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by .isolated
    I pot from every position.
    thats ok. you dont have to accept every "weird" opinions.
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    02-01-2016 , 04:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by .isolated
    What. The. ****.
    Maybe not in pos , but overall this hand has too many gaps youll have bottom straights and dominated flushes too often. It plays especially bad against tighter ranges where often best case scenario youll be chopping.

    AQ98 ds is just two good holdem hands. The only flops you want to see contain JT/T7 and two hearts you making two pair puts a straight draw or wrap out there for anyone holding JTxx, maybe youll get lucky and flop trips or a full house.

    Last edited by Drrr.Gonzo; 02-01-2016 at 05:13 PM.
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    02-01-2016 , 06:10 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Drrr.Gonzo
    Fold pre fold post you don't wanna see the board pair especially with broadway cards and if you hit your flush or straight how could you possibly be good if bets start going in.
    I already gave you your award for most stupid post on forum and yet you go and top it by giving us this gem. Well played.
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    02-01-2016 , 07:41 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Drrr.Gonzo
    Maybe not in pos , but overall this hand has too many gaps youll have bottom straights and dominated flushes too often. It plays especially bad against tighter ranges where often best case scenario youll be chopping.

    AQ98 ds is just two good holdem hands. The only flops you want to see contain JT/T7 and two hearts you making two pair puts a straight draw or wrap out there for anyone holding JTxx, maybe youll get lucky and flop trips or a full house.
    One day, when you get better at this game, you will look back at this post and laugh.
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    02-02-2016 , 03:54 AM
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    Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
    I already gave you your award for most stupid post on forum and yet you go and top it by giving us this gem. Well played.
    I'm convinced the more post a guy has the less useful things he has to say.
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    02-02-2016 , 01:11 PM
    You couldn't be further from the truth if you look through my posts. I've only replied like this to you twice because it appears you are trolling.
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    02-02-2016 , 02:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Drrr.Gonzo
    The only flops you want to see contain JT/T7 and two hearts...
    5 6 7

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