[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $12.05 (241 bb)
BB: $3.60 (72 bb)
Hero (UTG): $11.22 (224.4 bb)
MP: $8.23 (164.6 bb)
CO: $4.15 (83 bb)
BTN: $7.09 (141.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K J J
Hero raises to $0.17, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.17, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.41) A 9 K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, BTN calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.01) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.85, BTN raises to $2.18, Hero?

The villain is 24/15 60hands
O don't have reads.

It is trap?
I guees this line stronger because I have two J

If you are thinking about anything but fold here you are too loose, should consider tighten up a bit more your game.

I could not avoid being sarcastic sorry, this post is the most nit one I've ever seen.

I thought my brain wasn't processing what you had written correctly. All your words started melting together the more I read it. Freaked me out lol.

[QUOTE] Cool

perhaps I am a NIT but I try be better player.

What do you think he has OTT with this action in micro limits?

[QUOTE=sandman1;49604429] Try to be a better player in hands that aren't coolers. If this hand was reversed, he'd pay you too. If he had AK or bottom set, you'd never post this hand, so safe to say it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=sandman1;49604429] Top of his range is probably a set of 9's or flush draw that has some combo of A5 in it

Hope you got in OTT

I don't call. I move up now and on PLO2 this is top set all times.
If I make a question is bacause I don't know the answer.

well, if you ment it seriously I think it would be much closer to being correct than if you ment if sarcastically...

With two blockers J his range have less hands like AJTQ, QJT... So I think that's more stronger his range.

I'm playing PLO2 Zoom (not sure on the similarity/disparity with regular tables), and I agree that this is very often top set; very few players will raise top two or even lower sets. There's a weird dynamic and a lot of players are quite passive with anything but the nuts. I literally can't remember the last time I got it in with AAxx top set versus a lower set.

Obviously, this isn't all players, but it's very common, and certainly common enough to make you think twice about calling the turn raise in this spot, expecting another bet on the river, when we're beaten by AAxx.

Most players cold call pre with AAxx, so you can't read anything into the fact that there was no raise. Limping pre with AAxx is also not uncommon.

However, all that said, I just make it a point to almost never fold the second nuts, irrespective of how likely I think it is that other guy has the nuts; we have to call sometimes and 2nd nuts is the top of our bluff-catching range. You often pay them off, but occasionally you find them seemingly randomly clicking buttons.

Yeah but you don't even know how strong his range is in the first place, so that has told you basically nothing.

If you are a reg at 2 zoom I really don't know how you can say BTN doesn't 3-bet AAxx ~100% of the time, especially if he is 24/16 (Reg'ish) stats at 2 zoom.

I'm never folding here. if it is AAxx it will almost always be rainbow, but this situation will always be recipricated by villain so I would not worry. This is a neutral EV spot in the long run. I know there is some good artical and players recipricating in some spots (all ins going the same if the roles were reversed)

Why should we call the turn raise? It's a gii.

No card improve us on the river. On the contrary, a lot of cards helps villain range/scare us.
We will not save anypart of our stack on a brick anyway.
We are ahead of villain range most of the time, and that range that raise us on the river is calling almost all of the time.
I can say truthfully that villain is almost never dry bluffing here, for not say never.

Lots of reg's at micro stakes are there because they are very new to the game and a lot of them have prob read "strategy" (basically lots of old articles on omaha that are no longer relevant) that tells you not to overplay AA in omaha and consequently don't 3b anything but super strong AA.

So I really don't think we should discount AA.

However, when you couple his pre-flop play with his post-flop (only flatting flop, then a non-pot turn raise size) then I would discount a large combos of his AA. The only thing that makes sense would be AA with nut FD (but only SS since I would expect 3b from DS aces)

Generally when you are the aggressor and someone with reg-ish stats though is raising you on an Axxx board, they are very strong - because they will be wary of the fact we can have AA ourselves. Maybe they are raising turn hoping you flat and they get a cheap showdown with a 2 pair hand (or lower set)

Overall, GII is probably OK. If in doubt, my general rule is not to fold strong hands without strong reads.

Looking at basic stats of players I have the most hands on at PLO2 Zoom this year...

I would say that, with some clear exceptions, the PLO2 Zoom regs are generally quite tight pre, don't 3-bet much, and some are not very aggressive postflop.

It's not that uncommon to find players playing 7/2 preflop.

To reiterate, I'm not advocating folding the 2nd nuts in the current hand example, but we have to expect that we're up against top set a lot of the time.