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03-17-2016 , 05:30 PM

sandman1

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $6.26 (125.2 bb)
BB: $17.53 (350.6 bb)
UTG: $5.80 (116 bb)
MP: $7.07 (141.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $9.55 (191 bb)
BTN: $16.87 (337.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.52) 6

(3 players)
UTG bets $0.35, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.95, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.42) A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.55, UTG raises to $4.70 Hero??

Villain unknow.
My small raise cbet is strange I know

but I need try others lines for learn.

On the turn villain check/bomb and I don't know wath I do.

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03-17-2016 , 07:30 PM

moneyshots

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 5

I think you gotta get in here. If he has aa its just a cooler. Could be top pair with a wrap/fd?

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03-17-2016 , 07:32 PM

Praetor

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,807

have to stack off for sure

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03-17-2016 , 08:03 PM

sandman1

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Yeah, I have a little scared. His range have more hands LOL.

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.28 Professional)
600000 trials (randomized)

All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
KdKhQcQh	85,3023%	85,3023%	0,0000%	511814	0
AA**,AKQJ,AKQT, AKJT...	14,6977%	14,6977%	0,0000%	88186	0

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03-18-2016 , 05:58 AM

thsheriff

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You should 3bet this pre, even against an UTG open. Sizing is fine OTF, you could have wraps, some lower sets and 2pair + draws here too, along with some semi bluffs.

I'm snap folding this turn, no problem. This is plo5 zoom: he's only taking this line with AA.

Looking at three hands you've plugged into ppt I'd say your range analysis is way way off. Most opponents will be polarized to the nuts here nut if they don't have AA, they'll have the nfd to go with it.

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03-18-2016 , 01:38 PM

MadDogMoody

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Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 621

GII. 3-bet some of the time, not 100%. If blinds are aggro this plays very well multiway, with big pots being won with top set, i'd tend to flat, flat 3-bets from aggro blinds and if UTG 4-bets throw it away.

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03-18-2016 , 02:43 PM

Mindead

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GII!

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03-18-2016 , 03:49 PM

rulaZ

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 136

3-bet pre, GII on the turn. Not that it's deep or sth.

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03-18-2016 , 09:17 PM

F_Ivanovic

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,658

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Originally Posted by thsheriff

I'm snap folding this turn, no problem. This is plo5 zoom: he's only taking this line with AA.

lol, no.

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03-19-2016 , 06:42 AM

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thsheriff

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 199

Ok lol. Sandman, what did he have?

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03-19-2016 , 10:30 AM

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F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by thsheriff

Ok lol. Sandman, what did he have?

It's irrelevant what villain had. We only need to have 26.6% equity against his range meaning villain only needs to have a few non-AA hands for calling to be +ev.

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03-19-2016 , 11:27 AM

#12

Mindead

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I don't understand why so much panic about AA**, there are a lot of other hands in plo lol

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03-19-2016 , 12:26 PM

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sandman1

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Originally Posted by thsheriff

Ok lol. Sandman, what did he have?

I don't know

I looked my database and the stantard of players is: all in flop with a good draw or call down with 2 pairs and button sets.

Of corse some players jam with 2 pairs and button set but this is not a rule.

like this hand I played last week.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.38 (47.6 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $7.05 (141 bb)
MP: $13.58 (271.6 bb)
CO: $5.49 (109.8 bb)
BTN: $5.07 (101.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4

Hero raises to $0.17, MP calls $0.17, CO calls $0.17, BTN calls $0.17, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 7

(4 players)
Hero bets $0.70, MP calls $0.70, 2 folds

Turn: ($2.15) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.07, MP calls $2.07

River: ($6.29) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $4.11, MP calls $4.11

Spoiler:

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03-19-2016 , 12:57 PM

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Dave C

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If you think that one is passive, what about this one I have from yesterday? Villain can't bet his flopped top set on any street because I might have a straight, lol

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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BTN: $7.22 (361 bb)
SB: $3.90 (195 bb)
BB: $0.79 (39.5 bb)
UTG: $3.25 (162.5 bb)
Hero (MP): $2.32 (116 bb)
CO: $15.92 (796 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 3 folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15) 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.15) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.15) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Results: $0.15 pot
Final Board: 3

BB showed 9

and won $0.15 ($0.08 net)
Hero mucked A

and lost (-$0.07 net)

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03-19-2016 , 01:08 PM

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thsheriff

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This hand isn't the same. He called three streets with a set here; in the hand you posted you got raised when an over card came on the turn.

Going back to the original hand: at this level, especially at zoom, without having specific reads that opponent was spewy, I'd say his range is AA. He hasn't got a bluff here and I really don't think anything else raises for value.

The equity analysis you are using depends on a number of assumptions and variables, which may not be correct as you have incomplete information about the specific player. Using evidence based analysis, I think this will be AA >80%.

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03-22-2016 , 01:10 PM

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sauhund

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Originally Posted by thsheriff

This hand isn't the same. He called three streets with a set here; in the hand you posted you got raised when an over card came on the turn.

Going back to the original hand: at this level, especially at zoom, without having specific reads that opponent was spewy, I'd say his range is AA. He hasn't got a bluff here and I really don't think anything else raises for value.

The equity analysis you are using depends on a number of assumptions and variables, which may not be correct as you have incomplete information about the specific player. Using evidence based analysis, I think this will be AA >80%.

it´s a gii from plo2 to plo20000k
lately seems like on every thread we are reading someone saying something about at this level this, at this level that, try for a standard way to play your hands before taking highly exploitable lines, readless, just basing on your assumption on how the player pool is playing...

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