You couldn't be more wrong and that's exactly the problem @ micro- & smallstakes.

It is beatable, even for good winrates but way too much money is getting
pocketed by Stars (see your own 100% rb graph for example) and gl if you catch the opposite of a heater .

What's your SN? Plz don't tell me you must stay annonymous

this is like 7bb/100? with rakeback that is pretty decent. wp

but it's kind of lol to need proof of beating micro's. Surely 2+2 realises the micro plo is beatable - all the rake whiners.

An in game decision is rarely swayed by rake (but it does mean you need to be a little more conservative preflop (as equities are closer)), so it holds that rake should not have much sway on your winnings line. I have to ask because no one has ever answered it after about 6 of these threads. Does the rake/100 include the rake in pots you did not scoop or only in the pots you scoop? i think I have now perfected that question and hopefully I will get the answer I am yearning for so long.

Also EV line?

Also maybe check those sessions where the big dips are.

I've already told you that weighted contributed rake doesn't depend at all on whether you've scooped, lost or split the pot. Your attributed (true) rake in a split pot is the same share of the table rake as your share of the pot - half the collected rake if you get half the pot, a quarter of the table rake if you're quartered, etc.

Rake doesn't affect in-game decisions much, you're right, but it does affect game selection.

Can you please answer the question using either A or B

A) The rake vector is applied to pots you scoop only.
B) It using a weighted contributed method which is not true rake but total bull****.

Hmmm, so you are saying b?

You are explaining the rake system and not how the graph simulator is perceiving rake?

Why would it matter?

gl, sounds like your head is in the right place.

just stay tough during the downswings and dont withdraw so much you hamper your chances of moving up.

EV graph so we can see how hot your running, and yes im jealous gg

Yes, B, but the WC method is usually quite accurate; it favours losing players, but a lot less than Essence.

These systems coincide because it's natural to look up in PT4 how many VPPs (RB) one has earned, you see.

You usually have to play many hands when sitting down to a normal table (because it's not easy to get good seats after you forfeit them), and over dozens of hands, rake differences add up to massive figure.

All time EV graph

looks like you're running as per EV good for you.
You are properly rolled for PLO50 and can take shots at PLO100.
Wish you all the best and hope to see that graph continue to grow exponentially

how long do you have to play to get 300k hands when you only 4-6 table without zoom?
3 tables zoom?

Think the volume to put in is sick and i also think he is running somewhat god. (Ev air lines doesnt tell the whole story). Obv. he is good without a question. (questioning this)

4tabling zoom <450h, 6tabling normal >600h I'd say

nah

4 tabling zoom - you are getting dealed more than 8 tabling 6max ..

Lol? So you think one normal table has more hands/hour than one zoom table? Funny ****. 1 zoom is like 3.5 normal tables, but it really depends on your quick fold

Hello everybody,

First of all I used to play Holdem NL10-100 on fishy euro sites like r'n'r poker where i played mainly against players from Italy and it was fantastic. Used to raise AA 4x utg get six callers, players chasing one outers, flushes on double paired boards and so on. Was a pretty decent winner, until they banned players outside of Italy. Sites like these had no support for poker tracking software.

Then i first tried Stars and couldn't belive how tight everybody played. But thank god for PLO.

Started playing PLO 5 and busted many times. Recently i began to take the game more seriously and downloaded a HEM trial version. It helps but it doesn't help me that much playing PLO5. I'm not a poker software wizz and sometimes feel dumb when reading these rake is big arguments. I only look at my cashier and if it grows I'm happy, gonna become a platinum star next month and hope to clear the offered cash rewards.

My current bankroll is around 400 $ and I plan to move up to plo10 when i hit 500$ with a 10 buy in loss tolerance. Usually i don't loose more than 6 buyins, so maybe i still wasn't hit by the plovariance train.

I think it's beatable, and plo10 seems like the nittiest level of all, and the first level where you ususally play heads up post flop, while on plo5 you almost always have 3 oponents against you.

Pretty sure you guys dont understand his point. He's saying that it would take less than 450 hours 4tabling zoom to play 300k hands, and more than 650 hours 6tabling normal tables to do the same. Which is a valid statement afaik

I think plo100 is the nittiest, cant believe how many 17/12 types there are. GL in your grind!

In my opinion ppl too much care about running bad or good, you can not change it so why bother???
I have a different approach, everything that matters is SKILL.
Bigger Skill = Bigger winrate = smaller/shorter downswing.



These all hands took me about 8,5month, 4-6 normal tables.

I was never doing big volume, QUALITY>quantity for me

Now I also do not try to increase my volume, because I found that I can very effectively learn while playing but it requires from me maximum concentration.

Oh. Yeah. Of course. AHAHAHAHAH holy **** I should have realised.

OMG. WHERES MY SPLIFF AT.

Does this mean that you can beat PLO100 playing like a rock? Ty for your good wishes

it is probably possible to beat plo100 playing a lot of different styles, its just the fishregs know only how to 3bet and then pot any flop with AA and thats how they survive.

"In PLO100z" you should add. The amount of nitregs in PLO100z is ridic, I agree. However, not too many of them in the regular tables. On the contrary there are a ton of eastern european regs playing 27/22/8 - 33/24/11

I seriously doubt it. If you are really good post, you might be able to squeeze out a small positive pre rb winrate. But if you are indeed good enough to do that playing 17/12 or 15/10 pre, then you are pissing away value by not loosening up pre.

The strong regs at PLO100 typically play 24/18 or 27/20 or something (HockeyHero, Moxyyy, Paatrick, Keevo, Renanniehuis comes to mind). Then there is this one spewtard playing 33/26, but he is just on a massive gigantic heater

Think it is nearly impossible to beat nitfests.

Also considering those guys arent nittish fishes. Most of them played higher in the past.
Dont think to many people can beat plo100 longterm.

I do even think plo50 is close longterm.(1mio hands)
There arent enough fish those days everyone is stable.

Yea, I was of course talking about 100zoom, my stars filter for normal tables is set for 200+ so I havent played a regular 100 table in forever

in regards to beating micros:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=15

hey guys I just signed up in this forum I play a lot of Omaha high and touny's I was wondering if any of you know of any programs that are legal and free to help with ur game?