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Losing badly at micro plo , analysis on graph and stats needed Losing badly at micro plo , analysis on graph and stats needed

01-10-2014 , 02:36 AM
hi all started out with .25/50 but drop down to 0.1/0.2 as obviously I was losing badly , what do u think I can improve on in a vacuum? I know some of my own bad leaks from reviewing hand history in making huge plays that nobody believe in microstakes, am trying to cut them down , my red line is horrible too I tried 2bl barreling more but it leads me back the same problem of making huge -ev plays. all these are over around 40k hands



Vpip :31.87
PFR :19.39
Fold to steal : 65.13
3 bet steal :2.95
WTSD% :25.44
Wsd : 53.92
wwsf : 42.23
total AF : 2.36
total afq: 46.68

I am also losing a gazillion from the blinds

BB : 0.47BB per hand, vpip 28, pfr3.4, fts 59.11, 3bpf 2.23
SB :0.38BB per hand , vpip 34.55 , pfr 13.12, fts70.99, 3bpf 1.58
am I not defending my blinds enough?

all thought greatly appreciated from a very low morale and dejected plo player. this is kinda of my last roll I promised myself to see if I can make a living playing poker , being winning /losing all these years , losing more of course , was up on pokerstars playing PLO MTTS http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...D0E78.html?t=2, but couldn't take the variance and long inflexible hours .. sorry for the wall of text ......

signing off
losing plo player
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01-10-2014 , 04:07 AM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...thread-878196/

Theres a thread for this. Gl buddy I hope you can turn it around!
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01-10-2014 , 09:43 AM
You've taken the first and most important step to improving: admitting weakness.

You are actually running pretty hot in your graph (your adjusted AI EV is way below your actual AI EV).

If you're running good AND losing, then you have some serious problems with your game.
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01-10-2014 , 09:48 AM
Err... you can certainly be running very bad while running above aiev.
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01-10-2014 , 10:06 AM
hmmm how can u be running bad when u are above ev?
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01-10-2014 , 10:19 AM
You could be down 50k in coolers
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01-10-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pweelin
hmmm how can u be running bad when u are above ev?
Coz variance is ******ed like that.
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01-10-2014 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pweelin
hmmm how can u be running bad when u are above ev?
the aiev only represent what happend after get it in.

i.e you 4 bet AAxx holdings 10 times and the flop looks goods for you like J44 and you get it against hands that hit the flop good like JJxx or 4xxx.
Your average eq. is i.e 15% and you win 2 hands at the end.

Your aiev is above but I would not say that you run good
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01-10-2014 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CocteauTwin
Coz variance is ******ed like that.
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Originally Posted by pweelin
hmmm how can u be running bad when u are above ev?
Because all of variance isn't just EV. As stated by others
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01-10-2014 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pweelin
hmmm how can u be running bad when u are above ev?
Because there's no proof that the all-in EV line is closer to your "true winrate" than the actual results, it's just what people use to feel good when they lose while "running under EV".

By the way did you continuously drop down the stakes using a bankroll management or just played 50plo until you were nearly busto? It looks like you just autopiloted yourself into losing a lot in a short period of time without doing nothing about it... It somehow seems like you're doing EVERYTHING wrong, no offense. (I mean, did you ACTUALLY review hands and did some grinding on trying to find what your leaks were? I doubt it)
Also, pretty big gap between your vpip and pfr, also the vpip is kinda high (higher stakes regs also share this thought?). If you're going to start plo cash, start on the nitty side at least.
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01-10-2014 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SpectreXS
Because there's no proof that the all-in EV line is closer to your "true winrate" than the actual results, it's just what people use to feel good when they lose while "running under EV".

By the way did you continuously drop down the stakes using a bankroll management or just played 50plo until you were nearly busto? It looks like you just autopiloted yourself into losing a lot in a short period of time without doing nothing about it... It somehow seems like you're doing EVERYTHING wrong, no offense. (I mean, did you ACTUALLY review hands and did some grinding on trying to find what your leaks were? I doubt it)
Also, pretty big gap between your vpip and pfr, also the vpip is kinda high (higher stakes regs also share this thought?). If you're going to start plo cash, start on the nitty side at least.
I started with 2k at plo50 was down to 1k , dropped to plo20 down to 500 , redeem vip points + rakeback up to 1300 , back down to 500 again now
I do review my hands cannot seem to see anything maybe other then I am losing a lot in blinds and pulling off to many 100 plush bbs bluffs
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01-10-2014 , 01:03 PM
I've been playing these stakes and .02/.05 a lot lately. I have been playing at 20.1/12.8/4.9 in terms of vpip/pfr/3bet and have won $243 over 58k hands. I have only started playing these stakes seriously since November and I am not 100% sure yet that I am a winning player with this style but it does seem that way to me as of now.

So I would say that you can afford to tighten up a LOT. At the moment I am making plenty by basically nut peddling.
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01-10-2014 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pweelin
I started with 2k at plo50 was down to 1k , dropped to plo20 down to 500 , redeem vip points + rakeback up to 1300 , back down to 500 again now
I do review my hands cannot seem to see anything maybe other then I am losing a lot in blinds and pulling off to many 100 plush bbs bluffs
If you can't see anything, it's because you don't know anything. ("quoting" all my high school teachers that said that: only a person who studies will have doubts about a subject) Have you at least lurked around this forum or bothered to view videos? Even if they're like 2009-old or something, it's better than dumping money like crazy.
I doubt that there's a poker pro that can't spot anything but "true-winning-play" in his/her sessions.
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01-10-2014 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SpectreXS
If you can't see anything, it's because you don't know anything. ("quoting" all my high school teachers that said that: only a person who studies will have doubts about a subject) Have you at least lurked around this forum or bothered to view videos? Even if they're like 2009-old or something, it's better than dumping money like crazy.
I doubt that there's a poker pro that can't spot anything but "true-winning-play" in his/her sessions.
agreed , time to hit back the video and articles I guess thank you
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01-12-2014 , 08:42 PM
u can get a feel to the accuracy of the all in ev by observing it from the very beginning, so u see if it matches with how u have been running. at some places u will more or less agree with it while at other places u will highly doubt it. there are times when one runs all in lucky or unlucky and one will then look what happens to all in ev. sometimes it seems nothing happens to it though one has lost like every pot, but at other times it seems accurate.
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01-13-2014 , 10:14 PM
Pay attention to SPR. Make a plan for the hand. 1,2 or 3 barrels adjust bet sizing accordingly. What will u do vs a check raise? Why are u 3 betting 8765ds? Because it looks gd is not a reason btw. Think deeply about opponents range.

I thought i played okay then some 1 asked me if I think about all the things above^^^
And this is just scratching the surface.
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