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Old 02-02-2009, 11:57 AM   #1
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Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

Deep £1/2 £5 Straddle, I have £1065 and am covered by Wazz. I cover the rest of the table, but none have less than 100bb. Obviously there is a lot of metagame, but I think the general thought of each other is that we are so much better than the rest of the table ( 2 or 3 real spots of value) that we don't need to play a big pot vs each other.

Hero T987

Preflop (£8); EP1 Limp, Hero raises to £23, villain Calls, bb calls, straddle calls, EP1 calls.

Flop (£116); K 7 3
Checks around

Turn (£116); 6
Checks to hero, hero bets £100, Villain reises to £350, 3 folds, heros 3-bets all in.

Sorry if my HH is hard to read, I dont really know if there is anything better I can use. Also sorry if i've forgotten any information, im very tired right now.

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Old 02-02-2009, 12:11 PM   #2
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

nice, nice

i think your line looks very strong and he might fold K7 there, i dont think he will fold second nut straight here or 66, given meta etc etc, cause from his point of view you may easily do it with FD+two pairs. for some reasons i think he is bluffing/semibluffing there by himself.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:15 PM   #3
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

In general i think semi bluffing the turn is a strong move but in this particular spot i don't like it. I think it'd be excusable if the turn was the 6c, but tbh it just looks like spew.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:17 PM   #4
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

i don't know much about wazz's game but i know he can be tricky and i would imagine playing oop against him is quite a nightmare.

given his raise isn't fullpot, i don't think it's 45 or a set, and i don't think he checks the flop with K7.
it looks like 89 with a flush draw so the shove isn't that bad.

but i don't have enough experience to give too much input in these spots but would love to hear what the more experienced players have to say. i find myself in these spots quite a bit.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:19 PM   #5
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

I don't like it. Since you're risking all of your stack to polarize his range and there's reverse implied odds.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:19 PM   #6
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

Don't like it much... he gets over 2:1 to call, there's no reason he can't have the nuts (54) here, and raise/folding with anything would be pretty bad
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

I like a turn call for the range polarization answer above.

Also, I'd appreciate your input in my "London PLO" thread.
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:17 PM   #8
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

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Obviously there is a lot of metagame, but I think the general thought of each other is that we are so much better than the rest of the table ( 2 or 3 real spots of value) that we don't need to play a big pot vs each other.
Hi Joe; hope you are well....

I cant quite work out who has position on who but i assume you are oop to wazz. (if not in this hand then most others right )

Bascially its very simple; there shouldnt be ANY metagame between the two of you as you should be avoiding playing pots with him like the plague... now i know wazz and i know he will get involved against you and thats fine; frankly id be rocking up with him on my left and requesting a seat move...

Metagame shmetagame; there is a big big difference between live and internet metagame; your going too deep with it; forget trying to 2nd and 3rd level the best player at the table and focus on attacking the pots of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Hope that helps
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:30 PM   #9
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Youre so much better off calling and betting any rivers that bing straight cards, hearts, k or 7 if oop.
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:37 PM   #10
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

Am i so wrong to be boggled of why this is anything but a snap check turn having last action?
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:50 PM   #11
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Am i so wrong to be boggled of why this is anything but a snap check turn having last action?
I'm very sorry, I've not been very clear. I'm OOP to Wazz
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:00 PM   #12
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

looks like spew...

edit for explanation: its 5-handed; don't pull sh.it like this in multiway pots imo
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:22 PM   #13
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

i like the 3 bet all in if you hit the 6c on the turn, but obv he's never folding 4-5 and it looks like he picked up hearts on the turn as well. you may hit your nut straight card, but how much do you like the 9h on the river?
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:37 PM   #14
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Turn shove is spew.

Call turn RR, especially if you think you can garner either a river bluff or hero call.
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:56 PM   #15
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Re: Live hand vs Wazz. Is my line okay?

and wazz called with nuts + redraw and stacked you right?

i hate your line with a passion unless you have hearts too and dont really care when he tables 54xx.
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